Gaitok and Girl Talk

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:10] Speaker B: And welcome back to a new episode of the Dish with Tish. Oh, my God. We are here with the lovely producer, Matt S. Matt S. Matt S. Hello. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Thank you, Cynthia. [00:00:34] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Have we been eating good this week or what? You guys, my plate is so full and I'm so excited to dish with y'all about the content that came and graced our screen this week. There's so much to get into. But of course, we have to check into the White Lotus. This was the penultimate episode of the season and I gotta say, I know some people are like, the first two seasons were so much better. I don't know if it's just a Scorpio and me, but this season is really giving it to me. I mean, I don't know. Like, we always talk about, like, a big reason why we love reality TV is because the interpersonal relationships of people. You know, seeing the dynamics and how it works in this show and particularly this season, is so rich with the relationships and building that tension. And next week with the finale, with a 90 minute finale, I think we are going to be more than fed. [00:01:50] Speaker A: I do kind of think that the first two seasons are better. [00:01:54] Speaker B: And that's your opinion. And that's why we're here, to dish, honey. And that's your opinion. [00:01:59] Speaker A: I don't know. I mean, I. I've been like, kind of going back and forth. Like the first two episodes I was like, what? I'm in. Because I feel like they established, like, right off the bat what everyone's character arcs were going to be. And I was already like, oh, my God, we're doing incest this season. Oh, my God. I can see, you know, these ladies talking about each other. Oh, my God. You know, xyz, like, where are we gonna go with all this? You know, the dad having the constant phone calls. But it does kind of feel like, I don't know, we're like six, seven episodes later. And a lot of the storylines are more or less like, in the same place that they were when they started. Like, this dad is still on this damn phone. [00:02:36] Speaker B: I don't know if I could say they're in the same place because I feel like a lot of evolution has happened between each of these, between the Ratliff family, the trio of friends, Chelsea and Rick, like Belinda and Glenn, Gary, Glenn Ross. Like, there is a lot of things happening in motion, but it just, it may not seem like it. I mean, how can you be the same person after you jack off your brother? You're not. [00:03:09] Speaker A: Well, don't look at me. [00:03:12] Speaker B: I'm looking at. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Don't look at me. [00:03:15] Speaker B: I mean, if anyone in Lachlan. [00:03:19] Speaker A: I don't know, I just feel like this dad is like the past couple episodes, these kind of like fake out shooting daydreams are kind of annoying me. [00:03:26] Speaker B: Yes. [00:03:26] Speaker A: With him. [00:03:27] Speaker B: I mean, with him for sure. I feel like he is at a standstill because he's so larasa pammed out. [00:03:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:35] Speaker B: That like he. And I think that's kind of the point. I think he is like self medicating to literally make it through the day versus everyone else. There's so much going on. [00:03:48] Speaker A: Yeah, no, there's. I mean, there's a lot going on with the children. I just, I don't know, I just wanted a little more like I wanted that kind of confrontation between the three ladies to be a little juicier. I know, like Lori kind of got her lick in just being like, you're fake and you're vain. But I was like, I want this to go on longer and I want them to like really get to the meat of it. And maybe they will. I don't know. I just was like, I was hoping for a little. Maybe it's because they mapped it out so well in the first episode that like, we kind of knew where it was going to go. That now that we're here, I'm like, is this it? [00:04:20] Speaker B: And it's also been like a lot of the previous episodes from previous seasons have been multiple days in an episode, whereas most of these have been one full day. So it may seem like it's slower because it's just one day, but if you think about it, it's like, you know, we have the full moon party is one night and then a little bit of the next day. Like this last episode was basically one day. Yeah. So I could, I could see how people feel like that. But I don't know. I'm, I'm fed. I'm. I'm. I'm fed. I'm fed. But I also understand because I do want more, but I think I just want more, period. And I feel, I'm hoping that the finale will be able to like, really be able to dig into the meat and potatoes of it all. [00:05:16] Speaker A: I mean, I definitely agree with the fact that they've done such a good job, like with the interpersonal relationships with these characters. Like, I feel like we know these characters so well at this point in just like a couple of episodes, which is definitely the strength of the writing. But I don't know, like, I feel like The Belinda and Greg confrontation could have happened way earlier. It's like, almost the last episode. And that they just kind of. He just got to. Him being like, oh, I'm gonna buy you off. I'm like, okay. I feel like we. I could have told you that was gonna happen the first time that they locked eyes. You know what I mean? [00:05:49] Speaker B: I hear you, but I do feel like there has. I just. I mean, if you think about, like, if we go through each bit, you know, like the Sam Rockwell, like, the Frank. Like, that was so crazy. I mean, that's a huge moment for Walton, AKA Rick's character, to finally. This moment that he's been waiting for for 30 years or beyond that. Cause he's a little older than that, but, you know, like, his whole life to do. And then him choosing to walk away. I mean, that was crazy. You could tell, like, the man was cracked when he heard his mother's name. He was like, what? And I feel like a lot of this season, I think a. A big reason why it's going so slow is the karma of it all. I think that this last episode, it's. It's really going to be a good payoff. You know, I love my theories. [00:06:53] Speaker A: I feel the trailer with the. With the poison fruit and the blender and the smoothie. [00:07:00] Speaker B: I know. And my friend Henry, shout out to Henry had a real. I was giving him my theories and talking about how. We were talking about the monkeys, the biphobic monkeys. And he had a good point that in Buddhism, there is, like, your conscious brain, and then your monkey brain is, you know, you're impulsive, like, making rash decisions, and everyone has been using their monkey brain. And he was saying, like, it would be very symbolic for the monkeys to somehow get a hold of the gun and shoot people. Because, I mean, a literal monkey brain. [00:07:48] Speaker A: Could be tea monkey brain splattered on the floor. [00:07:52] Speaker B: Huh. [00:07:53] Speaker A: Okay, we actually know. I do have a question for you. [00:07:56] Speaker B: Okay. [00:07:57] Speaker A: What vibe were you picking up during the conversation between Lachlan and Piper when he said he wanted to stay at the monastery and she got, like, so super weirded out. Were you getting a vibe that he was, like, trying to make a move on her? Because that's what some people were perceiving. And it's not necessarily what I perceived. [00:08:17] Speaker B: I think, initially just because of what happened with Lachlan and Saxton. Yeah, I was like, oh, my God, we can't have another incest thing going on. Like, this is not Game of Thrones, okay? Hbo, like, you got to get out your Incest bag. Like, we're not doing that. But once he said, like, oh, I want to stay here with you. And just her face, I could tell it was a moment for her. Like, her mother knew exactly what she was doing, because Piper was laying in that bed, or not even a bed. It was like a cots. She was laying down, and she was looking at the spider webs on the ceiling and was like, I do not want to be here. And I think she was going to. Lachlan, to be like, this place is kind of. It's a little. It's a little humpty dump. It's a little honky tonky pokey. Yeah. Like, it's giving Bo Boho. [00:09:20] Speaker A: She's like, I could get this vibe in Brooklyn if I really wanted it. [00:09:23] Speaker B: Right. Right. I could live in a studio and Hell's Kitchen or something, but. And when he said, I like it, I want to stay with you, I think for her, it confirmed, like, I'm not trying to do this, because if it's so appealing to you, then I, you know, like, the whole point is for me to get away from my family. Unfortunately, that's you included. Like, you know, sometimes with your siblings or with, like, your best friend, and you do something and they're like, oh, I think I might try that too. And it's like, wait, but that was my. It's my thing. [00:09:59] Speaker A: That's very younger sibling, too. I feel like he tried on, like, Saxon's lifestyle, and now he's kind of trying on Piper's lifestyle. But I just feel like I saw so many reactions from different people who were like, oh, he was trying to make a move on her. Or like, that's the vibe that she was picking up. And I. I, like, was like, did I misread that? [00:10:19] Speaker B: No, I don't think she was picking up on, like, an incestual vibe. I think it was more of like, this is my thing. Get your own thing. Actually, if you want to do it, then I don't want to do it at all. And I think that Lachlan, he's so young. I think that, you know, he's been rejected now by Piper and Saxton. Both of his siblings have rejected him, and I think it's because he has a lot of adoration for them, and he's still trying to find his own identity within himself and the family, and he expresses his adoration to them in the completely wrong way. You know, whether it's like, I want to join you in this, I'm. I'm gonna Stay here with you. Or it's like, I'll drink these protein shakes and fuck this girl and be in on it with you and, like, share this moment, you know? Like, I think he is just young and doesn't really know how to express, like, his feelings towards his family. [00:11:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I just thought, like, her vibe shift was so strange to me. [00:11:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I think I love you. [00:11:31] Speaker A: And then he was like, I want to stay here. And she was like, good night. [00:11:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, it was more so, like, I don't. I'm. I'm not trying to. I think she wanted that, like, confirmation from him. Like, this is crazy, Piper. You can't stay here. She'd be like, yeah, you're right. Let me listen to my brother. But the fact that he is in on it, it almost made her like, second guess her entire life, you know? [00:11:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Which she should, because she. I don't like her. I don't care for her. [00:12:02] Speaker B: Yeah, well, speaking of rethinking your entire life, Ms. Lori out of the trio of friends. Oh, what a rough episode for Lori. For a minute I was like, she's got this like, yeah, she went to the fight anyway, like, these. And then Mr. Alexi in the bed doing a real life Nigerian prince scam. [00:12:25] Speaker A: Talk about, oh, I got venmo, I got PayPal. Yeah, that square reader up his pussy, girl. [00:12:30] Speaker B: He was like, you feel that chip? That's if you could just go ahead and scan that. [00:12:34] Speaker A: He said, I inserted mine. Now you insert yours. Kate kind of clocked her T when she was like, you're constantly disappointed. Your source of disappointment changes, but you're constant, as I are. Always disappointed. I was like, damn, Kate. But then I feel like they had us all kind of being like, on Lori's side. But then after watching an episode of Lori making really bad decisions, I was like, okay, I could see why. I also could take the side of your friends who are maybe a little over you, like, making bad decisions and then acting like a victim of them. [00:13:07] Speaker B: Totally. And in a way, yes, I. I do think this is gonna make her rethink her whole life and really, like, think about the decisions that she's making. Because clearly it's a pattern. She's the common denominator. Right. But I do think it's very rich for Jacqueline and Kate to be giving Lori advice like Jacqueline on her little self righteous horse. I'm like, aren't. Didn't you literally just cheat on your fucking husband? Didn't you literally just take this man from your friend? Maybe not take him from Your friend, but you were definitely implying for her to have this connection with him. And then you went behind her back and cheated on your husband to have this affair. And then k. I'm like, girl, you're a Trump supporter, so say less. So it's kind of funny that they're trying to come for Lori, and it's like, don't come for me unless I sent for you. [00:14:07] Speaker A: True. [00:14:08] Speaker B: I mean, they're right. They're. They're valid. But also like, look in the mirror, sis. [00:14:13] Speaker A: I mean, I'm kind of hoping that their conclusion is, like, that they do end up being better friends for having this trip, because I feel like it's the first time they're actually being honest to each other's faces. And, like, that's what you need. You need friends that give you the hard advice, even if you don't want to hear it. Instead of just, like, smiling in your face and then talking about you behind your back. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Just. Yes, people. People who just say, yeah, that's great. Totally. And I mean, I. So I rewatched the first episode again just to pick up on any extra Easter eggs, see whose body it was floating in the pool. [00:14:49] Speaker A: Or bodies. Well, yeah, I mean, bodies on bodies on bodies. [00:14:54] Speaker B: There were. Yes. I stopped counting the bullets or the gunshots after 15. Like, it was a lot. One thing that the friends all said was that they're mirrors of each other. And that's the reason why they don't go deep with each other. Why there's not much depth in their relationship. Because I don't think any of them want to actually do the digging and dissect what's really going on. But. Okay, so I have another theory with the trio of friends at. And the Ratliff family. So remember when Kate, AKA Leslie Bib with her ass. Bob. Leslie. [00:15:38] Speaker A: Bob. [00:15:39] Speaker B: Leslie Bob. Oh, stiff wear. Oh, girl. She be like, it's still she out here. [00:15:50] Speaker A: She. You know what she looks like? She looks like a. A ply from Lilo and Stitch when he's in disguise. [00:15:54] Speaker B: I am. [00:16:00] Speaker A: The live action remake could never get. [00:16:03] Speaker B: Get Leslie. Okay, Disney Pixar. If you know anything, you better get. [00:16:08] Speaker A: Because I saw the trailer for Lilo and Stitch, the live action, and they're. They're not having clevely up in drags. I'm very upset. [00:16:14] Speaker B: I'm very upset. They're like, we're gonna have Writing a letter right now. I'm writing a letter right now. But I do think that Kate's. Remember she has that incredibly uncomfortable moment with. With Parker Posey with Victoria Ratliff at the breakfast table. [00:16:31] Speaker A: I was thinking about that. Yeah. [00:16:33] Speaker B: And one thing Mike White does not do is drop something like that just to leave it there. He's not going to put it out there for us to not get any kind of resolution with it. Right. I think that Kate is going to tech because she has her phone. So I think that she texted her friend saying, oh, my God, I just ran into Victoria Ratliff in Thailand. How crazy is that? She was a little weird, but I just had to let you know. And her friend is going to be like, oh, my God, like the FBI is looking for her for them. Like, that's so crazy. No wonder she was acting so weird. Blase, blah. And then Kate will go up to them and be like, I'm so sorry to hear about what you guys have going on back at home. Thoughts and prayers, wishing you, like, ended on a high note, like, breakfast is on me or something like that. And then they're going to be like, what the fuck? And that's going to be the catalyst into hitting the fan tea. [00:17:44] Speaker A: That would be interesting. You know that Kate loves a good bit of gossip, too. Oh, that's kind of my Gossip Girl this season. [00:17:52] Speaker B: Oh. First, I literally. [00:17:53] Speaker A: It's crazy that y'all have me on this Trump supporter side. I. I didn't necessarily like the way that she moved at the table because she definitely hyped Laurie up. And then when it got to the table, she took Jacqueline's side. But then when it was just her and Jacqueline, she was taking kind of Lori's side and was like, kind of giving Jacqueline a little bit of business. And then Jacqueline was like, oh, man. I mean, and she's like, well, I took your side of the table. [00:18:18] Speaker B: Well, talk about playing the victim. Jacqueline is so good at that, especially when it's just her and Kate. Like, I'm so used to everyone talking about me to have it from my best friends. That's just such a shitty feeling. Girl, shut up. [00:18:32] Speaker A: She's telling it to your face right now. [00:18:34] Speaker B: Girl, shut up. That's not going to work on me, okay. I've been knowing you since you were okay, flat chested and wearing braces. [00:18:45] Speaker A: I knew. [00:18:47] Speaker B: Right? I knew you when you were eating pizza at Sabaro. Okay. Shopping at Charlotte Russe. So don't try to play like, I don't know who you are, bitch. Don't. Don't try it. Don't try it. [00:19:01] Speaker A: Try me in that kangaroo restaurant. Do not try me in my own home, girl. [00:19:06] Speaker B: Okay? I paid for this trip. I pay for that trip. Okay. I do have a game that I want to play before we move on to the rest of the dishes. What? I want to do a death draft. I want to do a death draft. A death draft. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Who's most likely to die? [00:19:24] Speaker B: White Lotus. We're doing first draft picks of who we think is going to die. I'm going to start. I'm definitely going to say my number one death draft pick of White Lotus for this season is Tim. Tim Ratliff is. Yeah, I think he. I do not think he is making it back. [00:19:46] Speaker A: You know who I think is probably not going to make it back is sweet little guy talk. It's not looking good for guy talk. I think he's about to be in over his head. He's about to confront these Russian men. And I think that Mook is also in on it because she was like, what are you looking at? Like, look over here. Don't worry about that. What's going on over there? [00:20:09] Speaker B: I either feel like Mook is in on it, or Mook is going to be an innocent bystander. Because this last episode was called Killer Instincts. Right. And there was a really. Just a cinematography in this episode with, like, the red and the blue, like, the adversaries in each person, like, showing the red and blue was really cool. [00:20:30] Speaker A: And having the fight, like, interspersed throughout, right? [00:20:33] Speaker B: Yes. I think that either Mook is in on it with the Russians and she's fucking Valentine and she's trying to get a cut, or Guy Tox is going to man up and he might just be like. Like, it might just be gunfire and Mook might be a casualty. [00:20:53] Speaker A: I don't know. I mean, something got happened, Mooc, because I'm like, what is this girl doing here? Yeah, why did you get this k pop idol to just sit and smile for nine episodes? So, okay, so then who's number two in your death draft? Is it Mook? [00:21:07] Speaker B: I think that my number two pick, unfortunately, is going to be Chelsea, and she's my favorite character. But rewatching the first episode again, Chelsea said to him, I'm going to bring joy back to your life, even if it kills me. [00:21:25] Speaker A: Oh, she did get bit by that snake. It's looking not so good. I saw the little preview of them on the beach. [00:21:31] Speaker B: It almost looks like heaven. [00:21:32] Speaker A: It was. It was given heaven. [00:21:34] Speaker B: It was given literally havon like a dream. I don't know. [00:21:38] Speaker A: Now he's gonna have to go on another revenge journey and confront another old man and then just kind of slap him and push him over. [00:21:48] Speaker B: And that was that whole scene I loved, because that was giving. When he was looking at the pictures, it was giving season two with Jennifer Coolidge's character when she's seeing all those pictures of Glengarry Gan Ross and the guy, like, the gay guy, and she's kind of like, are they to get like. It was very much giving that same energy of like, oh, my God. Okay, who's your number two? [00:22:16] Speaker A: Who's my number two? And who's going to die? I'm going to say Lachlan. [00:22:20] Speaker B: Mm. Damn, you're taking all my pics, bro. Fuck. [00:22:24] Speaker A: Well, I mean, there's only so many guards. [00:22:26] Speaker B: No, I know, but, like, I was hoping you would say, like, somebody else. Damn. [00:22:31] Speaker A: Well, you should have picked him earlier then. How about that? [00:22:34] Speaker B: Okay, Jacqueline. [00:22:35] Speaker A: Yeah, sorry. You snooze, you lose. Okay, the food's getting cold. [00:22:39] Speaker B: Either. [00:22:39] Speaker A: Okay, Jackson, this Russian man off, or I will do it. [00:22:43] Speaker B: And we know you will. [00:22:44] Speaker A: The borscht is getting cold. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Borscht gets cold. [00:22:48] Speaker A: Trying to get dumb, bitch. The borscht is getting lukewarm. I'm trying to bob on his yaga. Okay, honey. [00:22:55] Speaker B: Oh, my God. You know what? You go. Go for him, and you go end up getting scammed too. How about that? [00:23:00] Speaker A: Okay, well, you can have the other one, who's a scammer and a robber. [00:23:05] Speaker B: I don't want none of them. [00:23:06] Speaker A: And he got bad tattoos. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:12] Speaker A: Jesus Christ on a plastic sign. So then who's your number three? [00:23:17] Speaker B: I'm gonna say my number three is Frank. The way Frank relapsed. Oh, girl. I was like, oh, no. Also, did anyone else think that him and Shritala were about to. Because I know. [00:23:37] Speaker A: And he was going to be doing the bending. Girl. [00:23:40] Speaker B: He was looking at her, and there was a little wink. My friend pointed out. Demo was like, look at the way he winked at her. And I was like, oh. [00:23:50] Speaker A: He was just trying to, like, put a little of the moves on to distract from the fact that he had no idea what he was talking about during the entire interaction. [00:23:58] Speaker B: No, no. And a part of me also feels, and this is maybe, like, psychotic side in me, I would feel some kind of way with Rick about setting him up, Because I would have been like, girl, you should have given me a little more than that. Because he kind of set him in blind. [00:24:20] Speaker A: I mean, hello. [00:24:22] Speaker B: Like, you got the man literally to relapse and start drinking again. And because he was so shook on what the hell to say and do. [00:24:32] Speaker A: Yeah, like, where's my Prep. [00:24:34] Speaker B: I mean, girl, you could have given me a little. A little crash course. The footnotes. [00:24:41] Speaker A: And then he's out here calling him the wrong name. [00:24:44] Speaker B: I like girl. I'm holding out hope that my theory is correct. With Shitala being. And even the way they were cutting in that scene. Like, every time they would talk about his. Rick's father, they flashed to her and I was like, are you. What are you trying to tell us? I don't know if I'm. [00:25:05] Speaker A: But did they show a video of her when she was 25 years old? [00:25:09] Speaker B: Allegedly. [00:25:10] Speaker A: What do you mean? Which part was alleged? [00:25:15] Speaker B: Was she actually 25? Who knows? And when was it? You know, she could have been a young father. [00:25:24] Speaker A: She could have been a young father the whole time. You just never know. You can't. You never know anymore. [00:25:31] Speaker B: I mean, and I. And again, Mike White doesn't drop stuff like that for it to not be used some kind of way. [00:25:41] Speaker A: And which part did he drop? [00:25:43] Speaker B: That entire monologue with Sam Rockwell. [00:25:45] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:25:46] Speaker B: And him having it with all people, Rick, I feel like there's no way you're just going to bring that up and mention it without it being the lady boys. You know, that's been a topic. You know, Lachlan asking, is that a boy or a girl? And being like, oh, you never know what you're going to get in Thailand. [00:26:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:09] Speaker B: You know, like, I don't know. I feel so. I'm still. That's my theory. But I do think that Frank will be my third draft round pick. How about yours? [00:26:20] Speaker A: For my third round draft pick? I am going to go with. Well, you said Chelsea, so I'll say Rick. I think maybe he's completed the cycle of his life now, so maybe he'll pass away, or maybe they'll pass away together. It'll be like a beautiful situation. But I think he finally achieved, like, what he was looking to achieve. And it seems like. I mean, it would be very tragic if, you know, Chelsea lives and he died. Or if, Sorry, if he lives and Chelsea dies. [00:26:47] Speaker B: I would hate that more than if he died and she lives. [00:26:52] Speaker A: But narratively, it could be interesting. And I also was like. I don't know. I was like, weirdly getting a vibe between Chelsea and Saxton, because I was like, he wants to change for you. And, like, she also deserves someone who actually pays attention to her because Loki, Rick has been giving her the run around all season. [00:27:09] Speaker B: No. A thousand percent. [00:27:10] Speaker A: You brought me to Thailand and you're not answering my calls. I got bit by a snake that you Let out that you were, like, tripping. Yeah, Like, I. I didn't want to go to the snake place. You let out a snake and then I got bit by the snake. [00:27:22] Speaker B: Right? [00:27:22] Speaker A: And then you can't even answer my calls. I actually am not. You know what? I'm. I'm anti them. I hope he dies, actually, quite frankly, he has been nothing but a bad boyfriend the whole time. [00:27:34] Speaker B: It's true. It's. It's totally true. And they did have this really tender love scene. And, like, you see why. But at the same time, it's not enough. [00:27:43] Speaker A: It's not enough. [00:27:44] Speaker B: And she's all about fixing people. [00:27:46] Speaker A: She's the fixer. [00:27:47] Speaker B: That's her thing. And maybe if something happens with Rick, she could try to fix Saxton. And maybe. I think Saxton is having the epitome of an ego death. Like that moment where he's talking to his dad. That's the only time I felt bad for him this entire series, when he said, like, I don't have anything else going for me. I don't have hobbies, I don't have a life like, this is it, so if something's going on, let me know. And I think a part of her sees how broken he is and, you know, calling him soulless and all that. I could see her, you know, that's why they had that little intense moment. But leave it to Saxton. He can't help himself but try to make it sexual, you know, like, they. I, I guarantee if he would have just went with it and, like, really listened to her and meditated, she probably would have been actually horny for him, like, even more, because you could tell there was a little. That's why she was like, okay, get out. But, yeah, he couldn't help himself. [00:28:57] Speaker A: Also, that interaction was crazy with Chloe. [00:29:01] Speaker B: That's my fourth draft. My fourth death draft pick. I'm going to end it with Chloe. I do feel like Chloe might get caught up in some mess because I think that she. She could be in on some stuff too. I could see her working with the Russians. I always thought that was weird that she. It was her idea to go shopping and she somehow found herself in the dressing room during the robbery. Again, I don't know if that's just me overanalyzing, but I could see her being caught up in some mess. And, yeah, that, that interaction, I mean, that monologue was everything. She did a really good job with delivering that. [00:29:43] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, she's definitely been playing with fire all season long. [00:29:47] Speaker B: Did you believe it? Do you believe that? I kind of felt like Greg Glengarry Glen Ross was like doing that to embarrass her. Like, I felt like that was a little manipulative of him to send her to ask that of Saxton. [00:30:05] Speaker A: I don't know. I, I thought, I mean, I thought maybe it was like his way of getting Saxton to like be in a room with them alone so that they could like kill him or something. Like it was like a ploy or like a lure. But I also, I mean he seems like the type of person who would be into some weird shit, quite frankly. [00:30:24] Speaker B: Oh yeah, I, I definitely believe it's true. I, that definitely made sense for me and it even made sense going back to my Frank theory with him and Frank hooking up and like the Asian woman watching them do it. Like, I, I, that definitely makes sense to me even. I'm sure he was, he probably had cameras on the boat and he saw her fucking Saxton and Lachlan. So I, that I think the story was 100% accurate, but I do think that he was being a little messy with half of her ass. [00:31:04] Speaker A: Well, he's a messy queen. Truly hanging out with those Italian froggatinis. Last season. [00:31:17] Speaker B: You put the fragini in a rainbow. [00:31:23] Speaker A: The farfalles. Can I get a far falling some weird. So I guess my fourth pick is, I mean, I feel like it's either Greg or Belinda. It almost seems too obvious that it's Belinda and it would be tragic. And like I kind of was like actually hoping that Belinda would like come full circle with the season one storyline and be like, you know what? I am going to take this money. This lady who screwed me over years ago, you know, she should, she should have counter offered. Quite frankly. [00:31:56] Speaker B: That's what I was. Yes. I was like, if you $100,000 if. [00:32:00] Speaker A: You fumble this bag right now, Belinda. [00:32:03] Speaker B: I know. Honestly, I was like, that's not really that much to real. To realistically open a business, I'm going need half a mil at least. [00:32:14] Speaker A: And you obviously got it. [00:32:16] Speaker B: I mean, yeah. Tanya died with hundreds of millions of dollars. [00:32:21] Speaker A: You can offer 100,000 that willingly. You can probably offer 500,000. [00:32:28] Speaker B: Right. 2 mil. [00:32:29] Speaker A: And you know what? And I want to fly first class home. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Yes. [00:32:33] Speaker A: But yeah, I don't know, something, it's not looking good for her. [00:32:36] Speaker B: I'm so eager to see what the hell we go end up with girl. Oh my God. We'll be here picking our jaws up off the floor. So we're gonna switch it up from guy Talk to some girl. Talk and talk about some of the TV shows that have been keeping us fed in the days that the White Lotus isn't on. I feel like the most recent and pretty intense, I would say, is the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion part one. What did you think of that, girl? [00:33:16] Speaker A: I. I got to watch the, you know, extended, uncensored version, and I really liked it. I feel like the reunion sometimes after a season that was, like, a little slow can end up being, like, so much more interesting than you expect. Like, I feel like it was the same with Potomac last season, where I was like, the season itself didn't really give as much, but the reunion, it was like. It seems like they've dropped a lot of the facade and they're actually talking about real issues that they've brushed over because I feel like they're a little phony. And, like, so much happens, you know, in the confessionals or in the after show, and it's like, okay, well, now we're actually gonna have to confront some of the real shit that's been going down all season. And I feel like I don't necessarily have a dog in the fight because I sort of like and dislike everyone kind of equally. Yeah, I'm like, well, I like to read, but I also kind of hate to read. And then I'm like, I kind of hate Erica, but I'm also, like, living for Erica at the same time. And then like, I was watching Kyle versus Garcelle and I was like, I literally. I hope they both read each other because I find both of them to be a bit phony. [00:34:24] Speaker B: It's very interesting to see them hash it out. And this part one I really enjoyed because I felt like they got to. They got into a lot of some deep seated issues that they've been experiencing from this season and kind of beyond, you know, especially with the Kyle and Dorit. And I feel like the origin of them having this fallout is so stupid. Like, making a joke at BravoCon and saying something on an Amazon live turned into the demise at their friendship. I'm like, y'all really weren't that close to begin with. [00:35:06] Speaker A: Well, that's what the Amazon marketing was, was that she was like, we not really friends. Which I thought was way worse than the joke at Bravo Con. [00:35:13] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, the joke at Bravo car was clearly a joke. [00:35:16] Speaker A: Like, it's a haha laugh. [00:35:20] Speaker B: Funny, funny. [00:35:21] Speaker A: And Kyle loves a joke. [00:35:22] Speaker B: Kyle can feel self righteous because she has been on for so long and she. She has. She has shared so Much. I mean, all the stuff she went through with her sisters, that's so valid. Like, that was real. We saw that. That explode and the fallout from that. But it doesn't give you a hall pass to hold so much back. And, like, sure, she's sharing about her and Mo and what's going on with that, but then there's this whole other thing, thing with the Morgan of it all that it does feel like you're picking and choosing the information that you want to share. And then when, you know, Garcelle calls her out on it, it's like, oh, she's being an. And I mean, Garcelle. Like, I think what Erica said was a little. I mean, it was tea. Oh, my God. Like, I love. [00:36:22] Speaker A: I need a good read. [00:36:23] Speaker B: Oh, she. She read her for filth. Like, I just want you to be more interesting. Like, if someone said that to me, I don't know what I would do. [00:36:32] Speaker A: And then, in typical Garcelle fashion, she has all this smoke for Erica in the trailer. Like, when she's like, you know, on lunch break, I'm like, bitch, say it. [00:36:40] Speaker B: Yeah, like, why didn't you say it right there? Because let me tell you, that would have been a security moment for me. I would have definitely had to be held back. [00:36:50] Speaker A: Or people on Twitter, like, writing reads for her, they're like, here's what Garcelle should have said if I was Garcel. And I'm like, well, she should have. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. [00:36:58] Speaker B: I know. I feel like it's almost like the fight or flight freeze. You know what I mean? Like, sometimes where you're getting attacked, you either are one of those. And I think she just froze. And I think she was shook by Erica saying that. And once it, like, processed what was said, it was like, now wait a damn minute. [00:37:21] Speaker A: Yeah, we've all been. We've all been in the car being, oh, next time I see her, oh, I'm going to get her. [00:37:26] Speaker B: It's on site. It's on site. We've all been there. God knows I have literally done entire clapbacks in the shower from shit from years ago. Like, if I would have told that bitch in eighth grade, you know what, you dirty, low down, musty, trifling. But yeah, Garcelle did none of that. [00:37:52] Speaker A: I feel like Garcelle has just. I don't know why she's so surprised that people have a problem with her. I feel like Garcelle has kind of had the same playbook since she came on, which is very much like, I Feel like she kind of. She was on the. The. The real. The talk. [00:38:09] Speaker B: The talk. [00:38:11] Speaker A: Whichever one got canceled, she was on. Um, and I feel like that's kind of the role that she wants to have. I feel like she thinks she's kind of producing these conversations of being like, you know, let's talk about Dorit's marriage, or, let's talk about what's going on in Kyle's relationship, like, setting that topic on the table as if she's, you know, like Barbara Walters or she's, you know, asking Kyle, so was Morgan silent or what? She silenced. And I'm like, garcelle, like, you have a. You. They're allowed to feel a certain type of way about you constantly, like, asking them these, like, interview questions. [00:38:49] Speaker B: Yes. [00:38:50] Speaker A: Just because you're not, like, being like Lisa Rinna about approaching subjects doesn't mean you're not being messy and stirring up a lot of people's expense. [00:38:58] Speaker B: Totally. Yeah. Yeah. I do think that she tends to ask questions like a job interview almost. And it's like, girl, I'm just trying to relax and have a good time. I'm not trying to get into all this. And then also, you're not really sharing that much. So it's like, let's talk about you. Let's talk about the husband. [00:39:23] Speaker A: Her storylines for the past couple seasons have very much been, like, backing up Sutton, or last season, it was questioning Kyle. This season, it's kind of questioning Dori and Kyle, and then it was questioning Erica. And it's like, you can't just keep, you know, like, piggybacking on people's storylines, and then also in the same breath, be like, I really want to be friends with them. Well, that's not how that works. [00:39:47] Speaker B: I did. [00:39:47] Speaker A: The robbery thing was crazy. [00:39:49] Speaker B: I mean, I was gonna say I did. I do feel bad for Dorit. Like, I think that Garcelle constantly bringing up the robbery, Dorit's house, being broken into multiple times, having small children. I don't. I don't think she's making that shit up. Like, you could see how traumatized she was when those robberies happened. Respectfully, I don't think she's that good of an actress. [00:40:18] Speaker A: No, no, that was real. Like, that was for real. Annoyed with her, too. [00:40:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is another thing. Like, I am. I'm sad. I feel. I feel forgery. And, you know, I'm glad that she got a little love, this reunion. Like, Andy saying, you know, the viewers loved you smoking in your car, even though I was like, why are you asking so do you normally smoke? Obviously, bitch. Like, what kind of qu. I feel like that was just the wasted. Sometimes I feel like Andy asks the most, like, pointless questions, and I'm like, can we address something else? [00:40:52] Speaker A: Like, I feel like Loki. It does kind of recontextualize everything, knowing that through all of the past seasons, that Dorit was secretly, like, ripping Sicks off screen. [00:41:02] Speaker B: I mean, a lot of them do, though, so it's not really that. [00:41:06] Speaker A: It's like, when you see a picture of Obama smoking, I was like, oh, I forgot he was doing all that while he was the president. [00:41:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, a lot of people do. So I'm like, we could talk about her fucking nailing Kyle at the Viper Room, hanging her ass up to dry. How about that? [00:41:22] Speaker A: How about that? [00:41:23] Speaker B: That's what I want to talk about. [00:41:25] Speaker A: And this whole, like, divorce, separation thing, it's. [00:41:29] Speaker B: And that statement that PK sent in. [00:41:31] Speaker A: I. I mean, she has been fully just, like, openly dragging him on the show. I mean, she's. I feel like she's probably. Right. [00:41:38] Speaker B: I was gonna say, and. And sounds like he deserves it. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, she's no angel, obviously. Like, she has been fully, like, broke, living lavishly, probably exhausting this man's death. But don't, you know, promise this girl the world if you're not going to be able to deliver it to her? [00:41:58] Speaker B: We see it time and time again. Yeah. [00:42:00] Speaker A: I don't like that they are still kind of questioning whether or not Bose and Dorit are friends. I'm like, some people just click, get over it. [00:42:07] Speaker B: It's like they were saying, it's the same thing with Garcelle and Sutton, you. [00:42:11] Speaker A: Know, like, except now Garcelle and Sutton are, like, I heard, not friends at all. Like, apparently they haven't spoken. [00:42:16] Speaker B: If I'm writing for someone as hard as Garcelle is writing for Sutton and they don't do the same thing for me back, that's. [00:42:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:24] Speaker B: I don't know. I'm a big loyalty person, and I feel like that shit's not cool, so. [00:42:29] Speaker A: But it's also like, I feel like you've had so much time to see who Sutton is. Like, why are you so surprised? [00:42:37] Speaker B: That sure, too. She. She has a backbone when she wants to Sutton, like, when she. When she feels it's necessary. Otherwise, like, this whole episode, they were just talking about her in front of her, and she just sat there like, I feel thrown under the bus. I'm like, you didn't say two words. [00:42:57] Speaker A: I think that Sutton might have taken similarize of hands because she seems very chill. [00:43:03] Speaker B: Yeah. She was like, why do you want to stay in Taiwan? Oh, my popper. No, not the boat people. [00:43:12] Speaker A: I think they were like, so, Sutton, what are we going to give you to ensure that you don't have a freak panic attack and have to leave the reunion when Kathy shows up? [00:43:22] Speaker B: Girl. Yeah, she. She was larazzied out. Larazzied out. [00:43:30] Speaker A: I'm into it. They're all kind of eating each other up a little bit. Everyone is making points. [00:43:35] Speaker B: Yeah. I can't wait for part two. [00:43:37] Speaker A: They all keep saying, like, roll the tapes back. And I feel like half the time the tapes are not backing up. What they said. [00:43:43] Speaker B: No, like the boats. And Kyle and I did love that both said, sorry, The. The conversations just aren't memorable. [00:43:50] Speaker A: Well, that's the real. I mean, that's the reality is that Kyle is, like, kind of checking off the boxes by being like, I have a conversation with you. And it's like, okay, it was, what, hello, how are you? Nice weather. What are you wearing? That's not a real conversation. [00:44:05] Speaker B: Right. [00:44:06] Speaker A: Or just chit chat. [00:44:07] Speaker B: Right. And I hate. Oh, my God. The older I've gotten, the more I hate small talk. Literally. Don't talk to me if it's small talk. [00:44:18] Speaker A: I love small talk. I could literally, really. I could talk to someone about the weather for, like, three hours. [00:44:24] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:44:24] Speaker A: You get me, like, a little stoned. I'll be like, so, how's your day? They'll be like, good. I'll be like, wow, that's crazy. That's amazing. What did you do today? They're like, I went to the store. I'm like, what store? [00:44:35] Speaker B: See, that's not small talk, though. That's. That's. That's the conversation. [00:44:40] Speaker A: That's a different conversation because I don't do anything small. Okay. Oh, I turn small talk into big talk. [00:44:48] Speaker B: Oh, speaking of big talk, Real Housewives of Atlanta this season is so good. People who are saying it's not good. I'm like, I don't know what you're watching or what you want. [00:45:04] Speaker A: I want Nene back. I'm like, okay, we all want Nene back. I mean, like, let's not act like the past. The last few seasons that Ninja was on, she wasn't like, low key, kind of insufferable. [00:45:13] Speaker B: Right. [00:45:14] Speaker A: Like the season 12 reunion, she literally go, like, logged off the zoom like, three times because people chewed her up. [00:45:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm like, let's talk about what you could actually have. Not, like, something that is never going to happen. Like, Nini is done, period. So move on. I feel I don't even know how. [00:45:30] Speaker A: She would fit into this narrative, to be honest. [00:45:32] Speaker B: I don't think she would. [00:45:34] Speaker A: It's like she's not really a real housewife anymore. She's kind of just like, is a celebrity. Like, she exists in like a bigger space than just like living her day to day life in Atlanta. [00:45:43] Speaker B: I feel like I'm living for it. I feel like the relationships are so good. I don't know, I just feel like we're getting to know them more and the way that they're all vibing together. I am living for these group events, like first the balm party, the Balmond party, and this party that Angela Oakley threw at the bank in Bankhead. It was so good. Oh my God. I was like, this is the kind. [00:46:14] Speaker A: Of props to me for having a group scene. So far in every single episode, they've had beefs and squashed them. Like Shami and Angela had their beef and then they squashed it. It's exactly. They're keeping it moving. And that's why I'm so frustrated that this new girl seems incapable of squashing a beef that does not really even exist. [00:46:38] Speaker B: Well, as we saw, she has beef with her own family. So I think that that speaks volumes too. Where it's like her sister's like, I'm not trying to hate on your. We're talking about Brit, the newest edition on the Real Housewives of Atlanta. [00:46:53] Speaker A: I do say her name. [00:46:55] Speaker B: I know, right? [00:46:56] Speaker A: She talking about brat. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Oh, she wish she was brat. She could never be brat. But like, she. Right. She is trying so hard to have her moment. And like, even with her siblings, like, she has this conversation with her sister at dinner and her sister's like, I'm not trying to hate on you and your relationship, but sometimes I just want to talk to you. And I don't need your husband there. He's a great guy. I love him, but, like, sometimes I just want my sister. [00:47:31] Speaker A: That is such a pet peeve of mine. [00:47:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And I feel like that's something I should not have to tell somebody, like, especially camera, especially on camera. And like, to my sibling, like my flesh and blood, why should I have to tell you? I want to talk to just you without your fudgeing husband there. [00:47:49] Speaker A: So clearly there's some sort of insecurity there because the ring is what sent her over the edge. Yeah. [00:47:54] Speaker B: I feel like, you know, she. She's never had good relationships with women, has she? She said Time and time again, she. [00:48:02] Speaker A: Was like, yeah, the girls used to fight me in high school. [00:48:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure it was hard for her because she was cute and, you know, boys wanted her, and, like, you know, oh, I'm so pretty. Life's hard. [00:48:13] Speaker A: I mean, she was literally like a video vixen in high school, which, like, I think she was kind of bragging about. And Loki, I was like, I feel kind of bad for you because you were kind of being exploited. [00:48:22] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, she was a thousand percent. And I think that she never, Like, I don't. I just don't think she actually understood. Like, she understands, like, female dynamics and, like, throwing shade and being, you know, like, fun shade versus, like, dragging someone. And she's taking. She already came in with the preconceived notion about Kenya, and now she's just using this to, like, drag her. And it's like, girl, you are truly making a mountain out of a molehill. For what? For what? [00:49:00] Speaker A: I mean, to talk about making a mountain out of molehill. It went from like, you didn't give me a hug, or, like, you gave me a hug, but it was just pat to her trying to come for Kenya. And then Kenya swiftly just being like, no, Peasants can't come for a queen. And she was like, I'm going to shoot you. [00:49:17] Speaker B: And that's another thing I like. [00:49:19] Speaker A: Well, first of all, she said she has a whip. [00:49:22] Speaker B: Yeah, a whip and a pistol. [00:49:24] Speaker A: A whip being like a. Like, are you Catwoman? I'm so confused. And please don't tell me a whip is something else that I'm not understanding. Does she literally have a. Is she Indiana Jones or is a whip like, a term for something else? I know a whip is like a car, but, like, if this girl straight up pulls out a. Like a. Like, the Lasso of Truth, I'm going to lose my mind. [00:49:51] Speaker B: I don't. I don't. I don't know. I just. I feel pretty annoyed. And I'm not the biggest Kenya fan, but I do feel like we were kind of sold a bad batch of goods. Like, Bravo did this investigation and found no proof that Brit threatened her. But we all saw what she did, and, like, not saying that what Kenya did was warranted like, that. That's a new. And I'm also surprised that we're getting into it so early in the season. But I do think it's kind of messed up that they suspended Kenya. She gets no confessional. She's barely, like, in the season. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Weird. And is she gonna be at the reunion. [00:50:37] Speaker B: Like, no, probably not. [00:50:39] Speaker A: She's. But she's Kenya. [00:50:41] Speaker B: I know. Yeah. [00:50:42] Speaker A: I'm sorry. I'm a Kenya More apologist. And once again, here we are. The Kenya more the teen twirl has been vindicated, as she has been vindicated in every single conflict that she's been a part of. [00:50:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:55] Speaker A: Every. Every tongue that rises against Kenya shall fall. I say this because she's, like, one of the only, like, Aquarius housewives. So, like, every time she says something, I'm like, I. I understand. [00:51:07] Speaker B: I just hate that it gets so down in the gutter. Like, I just want it to be fun shade, you know, like, tit for tat versus, like, talk about whips and pistols. That pulling, like, revenge pouring out on somebody. We don't need that. Yeah, we don't. We don't need that. We don't need. [00:51:29] Speaker A: I do feel like Kenya's kind of dissipated in the past couple of seasons because it's like, I think she's just tired of being the villain, quite frankly. And I think she played up the role when she first joined because it got her, you know, the starring role. And I think that's what rubbed people the wrong way for so long. I mean, obviously, I think she. She played it up, but I think she was, you know, guilty of being a villain as well. It wasn't just an act. [00:51:56] Speaker B: Totally. [00:51:56] Speaker A: But now it's like, all these seasons later and, like, people are still trying to push her in this role when I think she just wants to be, like, I just. She just wants to show herself as, like, a single mom and, like, growing her business, which is, like, actually a pretty successful business. I mean, I walk into cbs, I see the Kenny Moore hair care. I'm like, yes, girl. That's my girl. [00:52:16] Speaker B: Yeah. I just wish it was a little more, like, not expecting bravo to be high brow, but I just miss, like, a good wig pull and a good, you know, the door is closed. Close your legs to the married men who gonna check me. Boo. [00:52:33] Speaker A: Okay. Speaking of petty, why is Portia being weird about Shammy's music? [00:52:37] Speaker B: That was so weird to me. I was like, you are not being a good friend. Her being like, is this Drew it? [00:52:47] Speaker A: Did Loki sound like Drew? [00:52:49] Speaker B: I mean, it did low key, but I don't know if that's your best friend. [00:52:52] Speaker A: She was, like, doubling down on it, too. And I feel like was not reading any cues that should be. It was, like, clearly kind of upset. And, like, every single everyone else could clearly, like, was immediately going like, oh, I love this I love this. [00:53:04] Speaker B: Yeah. I thought that was kind of in poor taste as a best friend. That's not best friend behavior. [00:53:14] Speaker A: It's. Portia's been. I mean, first it was the showing up late and kind of snatching the moment during the Rolls Royce birthday party. [00:53:22] Speaker B: Mm. [00:53:23] Speaker A: Then it was last episode, she was, like, kind of talking about Shamia and, like, blaming her for, like, bringing an issue and, like, you know, complaining to Ms. Diane. And now it's this, and it's like, girl, it's not looking good. [00:53:40] Speaker B: No. And if I was Shamia, I would definitely reevaluate our entire relationship because that's. I don't know. I feel like it's a line between good TV and a good friend, and you can do both. [00:53:55] Speaker A: She's very Carrie, Roger. Very, very character energy. [00:54:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:00] Speaker A: I mean, literally, when she was like, I was planning to retire by 40, I was like, what? [00:54:06] Speaker B: What? Doing what? [00:54:07] Speaker A: What makes you think you deserve to retire by 40? [00:54:10] Speaker B: Like, doing what? [00:54:11] Speaker A: Like, after putting what work in, like. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Laying on your back is. [00:54:15] Speaker A: I would love to not lay on your back. [00:54:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Leg on your back. [00:54:20] Speaker A: Laying on your back on some pampered. [00:54:22] Speaker B: By Porsche sheets with some good naked. Go naked hair on your hair. [00:54:28] Speaker A: It's. I'm like, yeah, we all want to retire by 40. We all want to be on, you know, fly first class and not have to wait at the airport. But, like, sometimes you have to be. You can't, you know, have everything. [00:54:40] Speaker B: You can't always get what you want. [00:54:45] Speaker A: Sometimes we can't, you know, get engaged after two weeks. I think it's going to be a good idea at some point. Portia needs to, like, reassess. [00:54:54] Speaker B: Speaking of reassess, another franchise in Atlanta, Married to Medicine, had their reunion part two, and I was a little bit disturbed as a Bravo fan watching it. I just felt like. To bring back Dr. G and sweet Tea after he has admittedly abused her because. Has abused Quad, his ex wife, who's a cast member on the show. It's a weird form of payback to Quad that I don't understand. And the fact that some of the women are doubling down on bringing him back, I am just a bit perplexed because I feel like it's almost like the producers and everyone else is gaslighting us to think that this is normal behavior when it's not. Like, why are we letting this. Like, why are we giving this man a platform and seeing how he treats Sweet Tea as well? It's like, okay, so the cycle, it didn't end with us it just kept going with someone else. [00:56:14] Speaker A: I think their justification was that, like, oh, well, like the men are still friends with him, so he's like, still very much in the social circle, but now the men aren't even friends with him. [00:56:24] Speaker B: Right. He was literally in his own room because he couldn't be with the other man. [00:56:28] Speaker A: It's like Simone literally, Cecil is closer to Quad than he is to Greg and he's closer to Quad than you are to Quad. Cecil loves Quad. [00:56:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:37] Speaker A: Here's the thing is that Quad very much, like, for the past couple seasons was very much giving. Like that co worker who clocks in and leaves immediately. [00:56:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:47] Speaker A: You know, clocks and does her job and leave. She doesn't want to go to the after work hangouts. She doesn't want to talk anything personal. And when your job is a reality show, I can see why you'd get frustrated when someone is kind of not actually really hanging with the group, but, like, make it seem like they are on a TV show. And, you know, Claude also does have a tendency to go very should take things really far. Like she was having beef with Toya that, like, ended with Quad trying to say that Toya was like, in on the robbing someone's house and that Toya, like, begged, borrowed and stole to get her house. Like, it went too far. [00:57:25] Speaker B: But Toya's moved past it. [00:57:27] Speaker A: So I'm like, Toya has moved past it. But if Toya's good, why are, why. [00:57:31] Speaker B: Are you so mad? If anyone should still be pissed at Quad, it should be Toya and the fact that she's moved on. It's like, why are you. Like, they're about to come to physical blows with each other. [00:57:42] Speaker A: I know. Like, there's nothing that I feel like Quad did to Simone that would justify her bringing on someone like Greg just. [00:57:48] Speaker B: To spite her now. [00:57:50] Speaker A: I mean, even if Toya did that, it would be not justifiable, but I could see why someone would be that mad that they would bring on someone just to hurt someone like that. [00:57:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:59] Speaker A: But I'm like, Simone, like, I think Simone just wants to be like, the producer. Too bad. Like, it's always been Simone is the one who's like, we're asking you to leave this trip. Or like, we're not going to film with Mariah anymore. But I don't know. I mean, Simone and Jackie obviously are like, very powerful when it comes to the cast. Like, they don't have to do much and they're always the first chair. And, like, Jackie was kind of bothering me too. Because, like, Heavenly was making comments about contestants breasts. Because. And then just like, well, I had surgery. And it's like Jackie, of all people to sit there and be kind of mute about a comment like that. I'm like, come on, girl. You are mean girls. Maybe Phaedra was. Maybe Phaedra kind of chewed a little bit. [00:58:39] Speaker B: I think she kind of did. I think she kind of did. And I just. I don't know. I feel like it just again, it feels very murky. And I feel like the bar is so low. Like, where literally having a man who said when confronted about him abusing quad, he said, quote, unquote, I never felt good about it. Why? What? Like you literally dragged her physically around and she called him out for it. [00:59:13] Speaker A: Yeah. It's not, like, entertaining. [00:59:15] Speaker B: It's not. It just. It get. It crosses a line where it just becomes very disheartening. It goes from, like, fun, like, seeing how the other half lives and, you know, like, fun shade, fun drama, like housewives mess, to like, this doesn't feel right in my spirit. Yeah. [00:59:38] Speaker A: I just don't think, like, enough of them have a lot going on to make a show, so they've resorted to these kind of crazy tactics that I don't think any person would do if they weren't on a show. Like, any person who has the perspective of just kind of stepping back from, like, trying to make a show so bad. I think Married to Medicine and Beverly Hills, if I was a, like, a producer on those shows, I think both of them should test, like, three new newbies for the next year. Because I think it's been the same people for so long that, like, we're not really getting anywhere anymore by addressing the same issues over and over again. Like, I can't keep watching Simone, you know, tell her two sons to clean up. It's like getting sad. [01:00:20] Speaker B: Speaking of getting sad, the Southern Charm reunion. Oh, my God. So there's so much overlap with Southern Charm and Summer House, which we're obviously going to get into with the fallout of the Page and Craig breakup. And I mean, watching that reunion part. So it was the Southern charm reunion part one. And I just feel like Craig is not doing himself any favors. I mean, he looks great. Don't get me wrong. Like, Craig is. Craig is cute. Craig is cute. He looked very nice to his suit at the reunion. I feel like Craig is really trying to get that sympathy vote. He is trying to get the girlies on his side with this breakup, leaning into the blind sighting and Paige, you know, being a Different person than who he originally started dating. And something that Dorit said on the Beverly Hills reunion that could go with this too. Like, if I haven't grown within this relationship, how many years we've been together? Yeah. [01:01:49] Speaker A: If I haven't changed the last 14 years, like, what am I doing exactly. [01:01:52] Speaker B: Same with Paige. Like, why am I not evolving? Why am I not growing? [01:01:56] Speaker A: Here's the. Here's the tea. Let me break it down for you. [01:01:59] Speaker B: Oh, break it down. [01:02:02] Speaker A: Everybody wants to. Everybody. Everybody wants to. To reheat Scandal's nachos. And not every breakup is that interesting. Sometimes breakups are just people kind of not vibing anymore. I felt like they did a whole thing on Summer House with Carl and Lindsay, like, about, like, the breakup drama. And it was just kind of mid. Like, it wasn't like, a crazy blowout breakup. Someone, you know, big reveal. And I feel like this one, too, is just two people who kind of reached an impasse in a relationship, and they're both trying. Well, not both. I don't really know enough about it, but I guess you could say that he is definitely trying to sort of, like, make it more interesting than it is. [01:02:46] Speaker B: I don't even think that it's a Trying to. I mean, that's a very good observation for sure. I don't even think that he's trying to make it interesting. I think that he wants people. He's playing the victim. He's really leaning because he wants to be the Ariana. Right? Exactly. [01:03:05] Speaker A: He wants to be, you know, the host of Love island and get a battery commercial. And he wants to Uber eats commercial. Roxy Hard on Broadway. [01:03:13] Speaker B: He wants to be on Broadway. [01:03:16] Speaker A: Lips will not be Craig. [01:03:17] Speaker B: Craig. [01:03:22] Speaker A: It seemed like the relationship was over a lot earlier than it ended because. [01:03:27] Speaker B: I think that he was threatened by her being more successful than him. I think that that started to develop a toxic dynamic. And he literally said to her, like, when we have kids, you know, you can't work like that. [01:03:42] Speaker A: That's. I mean, that's what these, like, Southern. These Southern, like, masculine guys want. They want, like, a stay at home wife and mom. [01:03:51] Speaker B: And it's like Paige has literally never been that, ever. She's never pretended to be that girl. That's never been her trajectory. So it's weird that you're trying to put this on her. It don't matter how hard you try. She talk about a Bravo lab, Zodiac wise Paige, it's a Scorpio. So I love her. I get her. I'd be like, yes, I get it. Like I'm always going to choose myself over, like, I'm sorry. I'm going to choose myself or my friends over you and, like, period, Dot. And the fact that you're literally not supporting me in what I should be the happiest time of my life. Like, I'm scared to tell you of my success. Like, we were talking about last week. I just think that he and I could tell, like, Sierra felt some kind of way. Cause she put the camera or her computer over her face and said something to Paige and then put it down, and then she said, I'm not gonna say it again. And it's like her. Sierra and Amanda are obviously feeling the same way about their relationship. And I think Paige has known for a while. Also probably seeing what was happening with Craig in. In Southern Charm. Like, his whole narrative on there this season, like, he lied most of the time. This season on JT, Craig literally was like, you said that Ms. Pat was a bitch. You said that Madison's husband thought y'all had an affair. Like, he. Craig is a liar. And that's what Kyle was saying on Summer House. And Craig turns it into like, oh, I'm a lawyer. I. I'm a storyteller. And it's like, girl, you and Phaedra. Well, not even, because Phaedra has a degree. [01:05:51] Speaker A: She. [01:05:52] Speaker B: She has a law degree. Whereas Craig, I don't. [01:05:54] Speaker A: Oh, he doesn't even have a law degree. [01:05:56] Speaker B: No, he went to law school, but I don't think he ever got that degree. So it's like, you can say that, but you're not actually about that. I mean, Craig is one of those guys. Like, I do love guys like this. Like your friend's boyfriend who loves to talk shit with you. He can hang. He could kiki. He loves to gossip. He loves to gossip. He loves to get in the mess. [01:06:21] Speaker A: And you have to be, if you're gonna be, like, a straight man on Bravo, like, you obviously have a little bit of. A little bit of sugar in the tank. [01:06:29] Speaker B: For sure. Exactly. And I think that he kind of leans into it a little bit too much. And especially with his relationship with Paige, I think that he thought that he could kind of manipulate her and almost guilt her into feeling bad about her success and rethinking. Like, oh, maybe I shouldn't go on this tour, like, showing her a documentary about why, you know, she was going on tour for Giggly Squad, her podcast, and him showing her a documentary about how a tour broke up this family. I'm like, why would you show her that before she goes on this tour. That's not supportive. I think that she made the right choice for her. [01:07:18] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, they just seem, like, not compatible. I mean, I would understand being upset that, like, the person that you're with is going on tour and you probably want to be with them. [01:07:26] Speaker B: But it's not like she literally said, I invited him. I said he could literally come to any day he wanted to, and he could. So it's not like she was like a Piper and Lachlan situation, like, I'm going to stay with you. And she's like, actually, no. Like, she's like, okay, just let me know when you want to come. Yeah. [01:07:47] Speaker A: It's just not a sustainable relationship. [01:07:49] Speaker B: It's giving insecure. It's giving male ego. Okay, so Summer House. There is a weird thing that happened. There was a little foursome situation on Summer House On Summer House Girl. [01:08:04] Speaker A: Between who and who? [01:08:05] Speaker B: So there's a new cast member named Emeril. [01:08:09] Speaker A: Emeril, like Lagasse? [01:08:11] Speaker B: No, it's emerald. Like, I M R U L Emeril. [01:08:15] Speaker A: I thought you meant emerald. Like, bam. [01:08:17] Speaker B: Bam. You said Lagasse. [01:08:20] Speaker A: Emeril Lagasse. [01:08:22] Speaker B: Could you imagine? Who is Summer House? [01:08:24] Speaker A: That would be so top shelf. [01:08:28] Speaker B: But he is like this Casanova. He is. [01:08:33] Speaker A: I've seen this person. [01:08:34] Speaker B: Yeah. He's literally brought a girl home every single night. He's been there so far. Like, it's actually wild. But he was having a threesome with some two women, and Jesse Solomon came into the room and. And I don't know. Apparently a woman sucked Jesse's toes or his big toe. [01:08:58] Speaker A: Girl. You know what? This is a safe space right now. I would suck Jesse's toe. I would pay $5 to suck on that man's toe. [01:09:09] Speaker B: You would pay to. You would pay him 5? [01:09:12] Speaker A: Can I. You know what? $5. I'll suck on your toe. Wow, he is just so cute. I don't care. I know. He's. That's. Boy. He. [01:09:22] Speaker B: I don't think he's. He's like. I was saying, he's one of those guys that could come into bed and. Kiki. [01:09:27] Speaker A: Yeah. He sure can't come into bed. [01:09:29] Speaker B: Oh, my God. No, you know what I mean? Like, he likes to goss. He likes to be one of the girls sometimes. [01:09:36] Speaker A: Yes. [01:09:39] Speaker B: Now he gives me the. [01:09:40] Speaker A: It's those straight guys that like to flirt with me. [01:09:42] Speaker B: He was majorly flirting with Sierra this episode. [01:09:46] Speaker A: I know. [01:09:47] Speaker B: To the point where Craig and Amanda were like, what's going on with y'all cuz there is a vibe and he said if Wes didn't call dibs then I definitely would have been trying to chop it up with Sierra. And my thing is like girl, you've only known this man for a year. You know that, right? Like, I know they're close now. [01:10:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:11] Speaker B: I'm also like she. He didn't treat her right so maybe you can step it up. Clearly west doesn't care. [01:10:18] Speaker A: Like, I mean Jesse has like an actual relationship with Sierra too. Like I feel like Wes is like a non factor to there is their dynamic. Like I see them as kind of a cute like rom com, like friends to lovers kind of. I kind of ship it. [01:10:32] Speaker B: I kind of do too. I would and I feel like he would treat her better and he could articulate more. Wes is so annoying to me because he just sits there like talk about fight, flight, freeze. I don't think he articulates himself well by like when she came for him at the table, sure that's. That was a lot. But I mean she was absolutely valid in that. And then when they had a one on one in the bedroom, it's like he. That was his chance to see say everything to her. And I just feel like he does. He. He does it and instead of saying anything, he just lets life happen to him and it just fucking irritates me. [01:11:21] Speaker A: Oh, Bravo is not for the faint of heart. He's very like barstool. [01:11:26] Speaker B: Very. He's definitely giving barstool sports hundo p okay. Those were a lot of dishes. [01:11:38] Speaker A: That was a lot going on and that was just one network girl. [01:11:42] Speaker B: That was a lot to dissect. So let's talk about our dishes. You go first. [01:11:51] Speaker A: I can go first. Okay. [01:11:53] Speaker B: First. [01:11:53] Speaker A: Well, that's kind of crazy. That was kind of uncalled for, I would say. I'm going to. I'm going to talk shit about you and my confessional. The after show, the dishwash after show, it's going to go down. [01:12:07] Speaker B: If you're not listening to the after show. [01:12:11] Speaker A: My appetizer, which I'm actually going to be nibbling on after this recording is survivor. It's the appetizer because we're about to get to the merge which is when you really dig in. But honestly, this pre merge has been crazy. It's like blindside after blindside after blindside and last episode was, you know, they literally marketed as being the most emotional episode survivor history and I truly, I. I could care less, honestly. [01:12:42] Speaker B: He said autism. Been there, done that. [01:12:45] Speaker A: At this point, everybody I know has autism. It's not that interesting. [01:12:50] Speaker B: We're all a little acoustic, honey. We're all a little gay and we're all a little acoustic. Get into it. [01:12:57] Speaker A: But then the actual tribal council was crazy. [01:13:01] Speaker B: I was gagged. [01:13:02] Speaker A: Cedric has literally. Cedric is so all over the place. He is crazy. He has voted for, like, every single person in the cast somehow in just like six episodes. And it's insane that he's gone to so many tribal councils and never once been the name. [01:13:18] Speaker B: I don't think he's gotten one vote at any of the tribal Councils. [01:13:20] Speaker A: It's crazy. He is like the decision maker in every. And his decisions are bizarre. [01:13:26] Speaker B: You know, I, Megan and I, our editor Megan, were talking about Survivor because she is new into welcoming coming back to the fandom, and she was so irritated with Cedric and I, I, I. At the time, I couldn't tell if I was irritated or if I understood the play because in a way I was like, I understand. Like before the merge, you want to break up the other tribe. You know, since that was such a strong tribe. You want to make sure that when we all merge that, like, they're. You're trimming the fat, if you will. But I also am like, you could have just let say out. But at the same time, I kind of think Sei is a good shield for him. [01:14:16] Speaker A: Listen, I'm not mad that Sei is still in. Sei is giving me drama, drama, drama every episode. I know some people don't like her, but I need a villain. And yeah, I. I'm very into this season. And it's like my appetizer, too, because I'm just thinking about how this time next year it's going to be Survivor 50, which is crazy. [01:14:36] Speaker B: I can't wait. [01:14:37] Speaker A: And I literally, if I need them to resurrect Amanda Kimmel, I need them to find Amanda Kimmel in a field in Montana, wherever she is, and I need her back on my screen. [01:14:51] Speaker B: Unbury her. Release the Kimmel. [01:14:54] Speaker A: Where is Amanda Kimmel, Parvati and Siree to like, take a picture together. It would just like, you know what I mean? [01:15:03] Speaker B: That that would heal me for sure. [01:15:05] Speaker A: Like a black. Like, they've had so many, like, sort of black widow reunions. [01:15:10] Speaker B: No, but I need the full thing. [01:15:12] Speaker A: Parvati and Natalie did like a paper magazine article and I was like, this is cute and all, but, like, let's not act like Parvati and Amanda weren't like the duo. And then Parvy, Amanda and Cerise specifically were like the trio. [01:15:26] Speaker B: I mean, that season is just legendary. The Black Widow squad. [01:15:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:33] Speaker B: Just demolishing the man. I mean, of course. I love that. [01:15:37] Speaker A: It was everything. [01:15:38] Speaker B: It was everything. Taking out all the men. Absolutely. I hope we get that in 50. And I'm glad that the fans have more authority. We get to vote on, like, a lot of the happenings for that season. [01:15:51] Speaker A: I don't know. It seems like the illusion of choice sometimes they're like, you can pick either this or this. And I'm like, well, honestly, I'm not a big fan either, but I guess I'll choose the one. [01:16:00] Speaker B: I clearly, it's not about us because Carolyn is America's favorite right now, and she just apparently got cut. [01:16:08] Speaker A: How are you going to pick 20 people out of 50 seasons? [01:16:13] Speaker B: 50 seasons, 25 years, hundreds of people. [01:16:16] Speaker A: Like, it's like, I don't know, is it going to be, like, game changers? Is it going to be second chances? Is it going to be new era, old era? I mean, I feel like the new era has only been such a small fraction of the actual history of Survivor, and, like, as much as, you know, I think there's room down the line for, like, a new era. All Stars. [01:16:38] Speaker B: Yes. [01:16:38] Speaker A: I love that idea because, like, I feel like a lot of the new era people, like, there haven't been as many, like, stars, but there's definitely been people who I would be interested to see again. [01:16:48] Speaker B: Survivor. Just one of one, you know? She's that girl. [01:16:53] Speaker A: She's that girl. [01:16:54] Speaker B: I love it. [01:16:55] Speaker A: Yeah. That's my appetizer, my entree. I still had a little bit of leftover yellow jackets in the fridge, so I'm gonna finish that. Literally the last episode ended with Shauna literally force feeding someone's flesh to them and going, eat it. And I literally was like, this show is so insane, and the wilderness is crazy. A bunch of, like, hikers or frog researchers rather, like, stumbled upon their camp. Half of them are like, oh, my God, we're, like, literally gonna get rescued. And the other half, like, one stay in the wilderness. It's just getting crazy because they're about to have, like, a yellow jacket. It's like Civil war. And I'm like, this is the Civil War I'm interested in. Okay? Iron man and Captain America are not relevant to me, Shauna. [01:17:38] Speaker B: Except Marvel. I don't care. [01:17:40] Speaker A: Shauna and Natalie are my. Are to me, bigger than those people could ever be. Go play with your toys. Okay? My teenage lesbians are feeding me. My. [01:17:50] Speaker B: And feeding each other and feeding each other. [01:17:52] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. When I say I had leftover yellow Jackets in the fridge. I meant Jackie. So then my dessert. So one of them. They're both in the video game world, actually. [01:18:07] Speaker B: Ooh. [01:18:08] Speaker A: I had been planning to talk about how I'm really excited about season two of the Last of Us, which is coming out soon. And I've been replaying season the Last of us part 2. I forgot how crazy it is. So I'm really, like excited to see what they do with this season. I wonder if they're going to go really faithful, if they're going to make changes. I personally am not someone who's going to freak out if it's not, you know, an exact replica of the game. I'm actually kind of interested to see if they take any liberties. I could see that game being two, three, four seasons, honestly. And I'm ready, but I'm also not ready because it's so depressing. So that was my dessert, except then today we had a Nintendo Switch to direct where they announced a Nintendo Switch 2. And they showed off the new Mario Kart and they showed off Kirby and Pokemon and the gamer girlies we were living. So that's my meal and I'm very full. [01:19:07] Speaker B: Oh, okay. A little greedy. We got two desserts. [01:19:13] Speaker A: You know when you're at a buffet and you're like, I'll take a little. You know, because sometimes you want a dessert, you want like a sweet one and you want like a sugary one. Or not. Not like a chocolate and fruit. [01:19:23] Speaker B: Okay, well, my appetizer is a sweet new show on Hulu. It's called Mid Century Modern. [01:19:36] Speaker A: Oh, I've heard of this. [01:19:38] Speaker B: Oh, my God, it's so good. It's. [01:19:40] Speaker A: Is that what the gay guys? [01:19:42] Speaker B: It's with the gay guys. It's with the dolls. Yeah. We've got Matt Bomber, Nathan Lane. It is such a great show. It's just a good light hearted sitcom. You know, it's like Golden Girls. Even more so for the dolls. You know, it is really just like a breath of fresh air. It's very fun. I love the dynamics. It's almost like looking into my future. It's a great palette cleanser with everything going on in the world right now. Very much like the dish with Tish. So it's a good appetite, sir. [01:20:21] Speaker A: It's a little amuse bouche. [01:20:23] Speaker B: Amuse boosh. I'm gonna say. My main course is definitely White Lotus. I can't get enough. I just can't wait to see how he ties everything together. [01:20:35] Speaker A: You know what we should do to celebrate the finale? [01:20:37] Speaker B: What? [01:20:38] Speaker A: We should like, fan cast. Our own White Lotus season. [01:20:41] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:20:43] Speaker A: Because, like, I already love to think about, like, where the next location is going to be and, like, what? Like, it's such a star making show. It's like half like. Like, I mean, not that Jennifer Coolidge wasn't a star, but, like, she's so big now because of this show. It's crazy. [01:20:58] Speaker B: It, like, reintroduces people to the site. Guys say with, like, Parker Posey. It's like, people who've been knowing have been like, that's my girl. But for a new set of eyes, people are like, oh, my God, she's so amazing. And the posy heads out here are like, we been knowing. We been knowing. And I just love the community that this show brings, too. Even, like, clients at the spa, they're all like, are you watching White Lotus? And just being able to, like, connect with people. I mean, this is, like, why I do what I do. It's because I love connecting with people through storytelling and having these, like, amazing relationships and dissecting them. And, yeah, it's. It's very. A communal show, and I just love it so much. One of my friends the other day was like, I could see you writing a show like that, and I was like, that's literally the nicest thing you've ever said about me. [01:21:58] Speaker A: Yes, you can be the esthetician at the White Lotus. [01:22:03] Speaker B: No, I'm gonna be the contractor. The Mike Whites creating my White Lotus. But I do like that we should definitely. I have some ideas already that I have written down, so we'll. [01:22:15] Speaker A: I'm like, what, prestige, 80s 90s funny lady? Are you gonna reinvigorate the career? [01:22:21] Speaker B: Yes. No, we're. We're. We should definitely do that next week. And I'm gonna say my dessert for this week is Survivor, because it was so sweet. And honestly, the Bianca blind side was so sweet to me too, because they got her. Well, because nothing. When you tell someone that you don't have power, of course they're going to use it against you. As soon as she told him, I was like, that was a mistake. And it was to her detriment because. [01:22:58] Speaker A: When she told him that she lost his vote, I was like, oh, this is good. Because the last guy didn't tell him that he lost his vote, and then Cedric got rid of him because of it. [01:23:09] Speaker B: So you can. [01:23:10] Speaker A: If you. If you tell Cedric that you have an extra that you've lost your vote, he will vote you out. But if you don't tell Cedric that you lost your vote no about you or the story is don't lose your vote. [01:23:22] Speaker B: But, yeah, Survivor is definitely my dessert. And those. Those honestly have kept me so fed this week. I'm so full. I'm so full, you guys. We appreciate you guys. We hope you ate good with us. Dishers, we love you and we'll see you next week. Bye. It.