Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:10] Speaker B: And we are here for a special edition of the Dish with Tish. We are doing a solely recapping episode of the White Lotus finale because we needed to talk about this. I was like, all hands on deck. We need to do an emergency recording. And we're gonna have two episodes this week because I need to talk about this finale.
Oh, my God.
[00:00:46] Speaker A: Yeah. This Sunday was a crazy day for tv.
[00:00:50] Speaker B: It was crazy.
[00:00:51] Speaker A: We were trying to figure out who was going to die. And the whole time, it was actually Kenya Moore's tenure on the Real Housewives of Atlanta.
[00:00:59] Speaker B: But that's five and a five body count.
[00:01:02] Speaker A: Not to mention that talk about high body count. Hair.
[00:01:06] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:01:07] Speaker A: Mr. Walton Goggins.
[00:01:09] Speaker B: And, you know, we called it. He was in our death draft, but I had my Coggins goggles on, and I did not want to believe it. Like, especially that moment that they have on the beach. I was like, oh, it's real. It's not.
[00:01:29] Speaker A: Just like, it's not heaven.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: It's not heaven. It's real. So maybe they are going to make it. And, yeah, between the fatalities and I'm also actively mourning the monkey theory that I so was 10 toes down for, and I will eat the crow. I will eat the crow. I will eat the monkey. You know, like, that's.
[00:02:00] Speaker A: That's everywhere.
[00:02:03] Speaker B: You know what? Honestly, I would. Because clearly, it don't do shit.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: Well, here's the real question is, would you wash the blender before you made a smoothie in it?
[00:02:14] Speaker B: Absolutely. I mean, that's honestly the most.
[00:02:18] Speaker A: That was the most heinous thing all season.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: I was so, like, girl, you would be the type to not wash it. And I get it. Being a teenager, like, he was trying. He was trying to get a little of the alcohol. He was like, oh, I would get some of the pina colada, but not with a dairy product left out overnight in Thailand. That's fudgeing sick.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like, best case scenario is, you know, you. You live at the last second and see God.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Best case scenario for him. I mean.
Oh, my God. Well, we'll get into that. We'll get into that. Let's start from the top. I mean, the episode started with the Buddha saying it becomes easier to accept that there is no resolution. And I feel like that was literally Mike White telling us that some things aren't going to be resolved. And that's exactly it.
[00:03:15] Speaker A: Sam Rockwell's butt looked really cute.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: Okay. Sarah Rockwell in the. With the banana hammock, the leopard banana hammock. I was like, he's so. Oh, Leslie Bibb is a lucky lady. Oh, my God. Mr. Sam is.
Oh, Sam. I am. Honey.
[00:03:37] Speaker A: It was nice to see Rick wanting to get home to Chelsea. I was like, yeah, it's about time, right?
[00:03:44] Speaker B: But here's the loose end. That kind. I don't know. I.
I feel like if you try to kill this man, right. Why the fuck are you going back to the resorts?
[00:04:03] Speaker A: Why are you going back that he.
[00:04:05] Speaker B: That Hollinger owns the man who you think killed your father? Why are you going back to the resort, eating breakfast just out. That's a room service situation, and we're getting the fuck out of Dodge. I'm not eating at the. At the restaurant, like, nothing happens.
I thought that was so. I mean, I know obviously he doesn't have a lot of sense and he's a very irrational person, but that was. I was like, he should be talking to Chelsea. Like, meet me at the airport. We gotta get out of here.
[00:04:44] Speaker A: Maybe he was still high on whatever substances he confused, he consumed before the snake show and then during his night partying with Frank.
[00:04:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:55] Speaker A: Because the decisions were not decisioning. I guess maybe he, like, assumed that the. He. He felt that the old man was not a threat. Like, he saw him as some sort of, like, kind of pathetic old man. And that's why he kind of balked at the opportunity to. To, like, do the kill shot on him. Like, he kind of pitied him.
[00:05:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:14] Speaker A: But, like, this man is clearly a very powerful person in Thailand, and you're like, just a hop, skip, and jump away from him. I don't think he's gonna, like, let you off easy.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: Resort that he stays in, like.
[00:05:26] Speaker A: And his wife is obviously gonna be like, so you're not making a movie that I'm in?
[00:05:31] Speaker B: Yeah. She's like, I was ready. She said, I started doing Pilates again.
I've been taking.
Oh, I. She might be popping off now. Okay.
On Spotify. Okay. She gonna be popping off. She gonna be popping off. So, yeah, Rick leaves Bangkok finally.
[00:05:55] Speaker A: And much like I suspected, I was.
[00:05:58] Speaker B: Gonna say, do you feel vindicated that you were right about Piper?
[00:06:01] Speaker A: Piper was the whole time just kind of a spoiled brat. But she, like, literally said it herself. But, yeah, like, the whole time I've been saying, I'm like, this is the girl that studies abroad and, like, thinks it's a life changing experience.
[00:06:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:06:16] Speaker A: She just wanted to kind of, like, rebel against her, like, beautiful life. And then it was like, the food's not even organic. I could tell it wasn't organic. And the bed was so small and was, like, dirty.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: I mean, I did feel her with the air conditioning because I. I was like, that's me. I felt that in my. In my.
[00:06:35] Speaker A: Oh, true. I mean, I could. I could say I'm no better, but I don't put on a false pretense that I'm, like, going to live this lifestyle.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: Right.
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Because I know I can't handle it.
[00:06:44] Speaker B: Right. And the fact that, like, she brought her entire family there.
[00:06:50] Speaker A: She lied about the thesis.
[00:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Right.
[00:06:53] Speaker A: So I was like, what? Literally, so what was the point? This really is a girl that just gets everything that she wants. And then the dad was like, well, shit, I guess I gotta kill my little baby girl, too.
[00:07:03] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, the monologue that she delivered was really good about her just feeling, you know, so privileged. And she feels bad about the, you know, like, woe is me. But she delivered that really beautifully. And Parker's facial expression, that entire scene, like, she was so. Oh, my God.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: Me and her both felt very vindicated in that moment.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: I took her with the thumbs up when she's hugging her, and I took a screenshot of that and I made it a sticker because I'm like, when I. When I told you so, I'm sending you that.
Or if I was correct, I'm sending.
[00:07:46] Speaker A: That because she was off the larazi. She had the clarity.
[00:07:51] Speaker B: Yeah, she did.
[00:07:53] Speaker A: I think, like, that is kind of the beauty of White Lotus is that, like, the best moments are, like, these conversations that they have around tables during the meals.
Like, that is, like, kind of like the meat and potatoes of White Lotus is, like, how much. How good the writing is in these, like, moments. And then having actors who can really deliver and putting it in, like, a beautiful scene like that. I feel like every actor gets their moment to kind of have, like, a monologue. And then we can talk about how Carrie Coon kind of had, like, I would say, the monologue of the episode.
[00:08:23] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. A thousand percent. A thousand percent.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: I mean, clearly, like, Mike White, I know, is probably getting a little bit of backlash from people who were dissatisfied with the finale. But I'm not going to diss the man's pen when it comes to, like, his ability to write dialogue and, like, have so much subtext in the. In the words. Like, I feel like, as a writer, when you have. When you set up a big moment for someone to deliver, like, a big, sweeping, grand monologue, you have to be able to actually deliver with, like, something that's actually poignant. And makes sense. And I feel like Carrie Coon's monologue was so. It like, really hit me for sure about, like, finding meaning in time.
[00:09:05] Speaker B: Oh, it was. It was so beautiful. But I do. Tell me how you feel about this. I do think it leaned a little almost like, too hard in the mystery aspect. Like, from the top, it was like we all were coming, like, theorizing, and there was so much leaning into the mystery. And it's really only about the mystery in the finale and the whole season, we're just kind of like waiting for that. And I think, at least for me, I feel like the first two seasons were a little bit more about what's happening in the resort and with the people and their relationships and not saying that this season didn't, but. But it was very much like, you know, the mystery, who done it? And I don't know. I feel like the first two seasons kind of. I kind of like that dynamic better. But I do appreciate, like, this season we had so many. We weren't just at the White Lotus. We went to fucking another city.
Right. Like, there was a lot going on. So I do appreciate, like, I know that takes a village, but I also kind of feel like we. And I know he said this in an interview, Mike White, that he edged us. And it really feels like that. And I almost feel like.
[00:10:25] Speaker A: Do you feel misled?
[00:10:26] Speaker B: I just feel misled and I feel unfulfilled in a lot of ways, I guess.
[00:10:33] Speaker A: Do you feel like it was like the writers that set that up, or do you feel like you just got caught up in it?
[00:10:42] Speaker B: I think it's a mix of the both. You know, I think I definitely got caught up in it. And I love a theory. I love to kind of like, try to piece the puzzle together because I know, like, Mike White likes to do that. And I also just was expecting more.
[00:11:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: You know, I feel like I would.
[00:11:03] Speaker A: Have a different perspective and maybe I will have a different perspective upon, like, binging the season in one sitting and watching it play out like one big movie. But I do feel like there is an aspect of the week to week where, like, the discourse becomes like, the reason for the show is that every week you're, like, just talking about what happened and talking about the theorizing I was equating it to.
This is kind of a strange equation. But my experience watching the show wandavision a couple of years ago, I mean, it was like right during the pandemic. So it was. And it was doing the week to week release, and I had Just built up so many, like, oh, my God, they're going to reveal this. And then. And then this person's going to show up, and this person is going to show up, and she's going to open the multiverse and the X Men are going to come, and this is going to happen, and this gets. And then the show ended, and I was like, wait, none of that happened? Like, what? This wasn't this. This wasn't this. And I don't know if, like, it was the writers that, like, set that up, or we as the fans just got so carried away in the theories of it all that it's like, our fault a little bit. But I definitely feel the same way with this White Lotus season, because I do think there were a lot of things, like you said, the sleight of hand when you mentioned that. I was waiting to see that come back. And it didn't come back necessarily. They did bring back the smoothies.
They didn't bring back, like, the baby shower conversation.
[00:12:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a big one. I wanted a little more from.
[00:12:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess it was just a conversation that was like a characterization moment just to show the kind of person that Victoria was.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I do think it was more so about showing that she has a superiority complex. You know, like, she almost, like, is spreading that to her kids. And it's kind of like a cult. Low key. Even with, like, the Jonestown, like, having them drink the Kool Aid.
[00:12:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:12:55] Speaker B: The pina coladas, like, it's kind of culty. It's the vibe that I was getting. And it almost becomes like. I mean, obviously it literally did become incestuous because, you know, she's feeding her children. Like, we are so lucky. We are like the crime de la creme, you know, we did.
[00:13:18] Speaker A: She said that we have lived better than anyone has ever lived in the history of humanity.
[00:13:22] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And then Guy Talk has the conversation with Valentin, and that definitely raises some red flags for him. And he's like, I know.
Like, it was you and your friends. And Valentin, like, realizing that he knows the truth, begs him not to say anything and talks about how he'll die if he goes back to Russia.
[00:13:50] Speaker A: I can tell that was BS or not.
[00:13:53] Speaker B: I mean, that's another loose end, I guess. Like, you know, we don't know.
[00:13:58] Speaker A: Yeah, right. And I mean, Mook in general, I think we all got ourselves, like, carried away with the idea that she was gonna, like, have some sort of, like, villain reveal at the last moment where she'd be like, I'm the one who organized the robbery all along. And, you know, like, she was gonna pull out a gun and be the shooter or something, but really, she was just.
She was just a girl who wants a man with this stable job.
[00:14:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I get. I mean, a man, but it's also like you're trying to love someone for your. An idea of someone that they're not. You know, like, you're literally trying to change him. And, I mean, he did ultimately, like, I feel like between Guy Talk and Belinda, like, they sacrificed their moral beliefs for, you know, like, for the bag. For the bag. And one of the main things of this season that Mike White said, besides karma, death, is identity. Like, identity is the prison and being confounded by that identity. And Belinda and Guy Talk enter a new identity by, you know, ultimately compromising their moral beliefs. And now they're in new identities, and those might. Ultimately, they may have just created a new prison for themselves.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: Kind of interesting that. I mean, Belinda's story was, you know, 100 full circle from all the way back to the first season of, you know, her being the employee that was kind of edged by, you know, a rich person making false promises and then not being able to deliver and then her doing the same to Pornchai. But I also think there's kind of. That yin yang was obviously, like, very symbolic in this episode as well. And you have the Ratliffs who enter rich and leave poor, and then you have Belinda who enters poor and leaves rich. And that's kind of fascinating because now she is going to be experiencing this life that she's never lived, and they're going to be experiencing this life that they've never lived. And I was almost a little disappointed that we didn't get to see any of their reaction. But at the same time, I think I'm just, like, choosing to kind of defer to the writer and be like, okay, that's the story you wanted to tell. And, you know, we can kind of do the rest and fill in the blanks on what happens next.
[00:16:22] Speaker B: I mean, I'm. I am happy for Belinda, and I know a lot of people. Initially, I was devastated because I felt so bad for poor Chai and seeing her, you know, sacrifice her moral compass for this money. But I also understand, like, a. Her kid is there. And Zion, who, by the way, did an amazing job negotiating University of Hawaii applications, are about to triple for the business.
[00:16:58] Speaker A: It was Ms. Melinda who sealed the deal with her acting.
[00:17:02] Speaker B: I know, but he was doing a really good job.
[00:17:04] Speaker A: He was doing a really good job.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: And I understand, like, her mama bear, like, protecting her cub. I do get that. And also, like, she is a caretaker. She has always been taking care of people. And this is the first time, like, when she. To me, the best line of the episode is, can I just be rich for five fucking minutes? And I do get that. Like, when you have to struggle for money, that takes up so much of your mental capacity, right? Where you have to live paycheck to paycheck and rob from Peter to pay Paul. Like, that takes up a lot of your mental, your thought process. And now she doesn't have to worry about that ever again.
[00:17:52] Speaker A: I mean, her account literally went from 12,000 to 5 million. 12,000. And that's her supporting not only herself, but also, I mean, she had to send her son to college.
[00:18:01] Speaker B: Right? So it's like, I understand that for her, like, finally being able to have some peace of mind and to be able to relax. And I mean, as much as I loved her and Pornchai, like, I do think that that was a very sweet and pure dynamic. He would have been another dependent for her at this point right now. I think she just wants to enjoy it with her son and, like, live in this, like, pure ecstasy right now. And I get that. And also, people are saying, you know, like, she turned into Tanya. She, you know, did what happened to her, but it's not really. Pornchai asked it very casually where, yeah.
[00:18:46] Speaker A: They didn't seem that serious about going into. Bit like, you know, it was like.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: Yeah, right, that's what I was gonna say. She wrote a business plan. She was prepared. Like, all the I's were dotted, the t's were crossed. And yeah, it was more of a thing in passing versus, like, here's what we're going to do. But you could just see the devastation in his eyes.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: Like, and I think she felt it too.
[00:19:09] Speaker B: Yeah, but I understand, like, her choosing to go that way and get in the fuck out. That's what Rick should have done. Oh, my God.
[00:19:19] Speaker A: See, honestly, you know what? If there's anything I've learned from the Rick and Chelsea storyline, it's not to hinge your life, your happiness, your success on a man. So Belinda, I believe, did the right thing because poor Chelsea has dedicated her life to this soulmate. And all he has done, I mean, she's brought him hope and he has brought her pain.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: And I mean, it was literally the fight of good versus evil. And ultimately evil won.
Yeah, it's just pretty. Pretty disappointing.
[00:19:53] Speaker A: Are you upset? Are you gonna cry?
Oh, my God.
[00:20:02] Speaker B: I was crying. Last night, man, I was salty, bro.
[00:20:06] Speaker A: I felt like I was watching a horror movie last night. I mean, I was a little. I was a little stoned, but the whole time I was watching it, I was just so stressed and so anxious.
[00:20:16] Speaker B: Literally, I was paced, girl. I don't know. Have we ever watched a show together or, like, watched.
[00:20:24] Speaker A: We watched the premiere of We Are Family.
[00:20:27] Speaker B: Okay, that doesn't count. All this is being cut. But I.
I'm a pacer, right?
[00:20:34] Speaker A: Like, I start walking around, pacing, girl. Like a man watching a basketball game.
[00:20:39] Speaker B: I'm probably so annoying to watch stuff with because I am like, I. It's sports. So, like, I'm watching Oscars and I'd be like, let's fucking go. Yeah, like, last night, I literally was pacing. I've run out of my apartment before when something happened. You ran?
[00:20:57] Speaker A: Like, Lori ran away when the shots got fired.
She booked her.
[00:21:02] Speaker B: We need to put Lori on Team usa because she can medal for us, honey. She can meddle for us.
[00:21:09] Speaker A: The whole time I was like, you know what? At this point, I don't care who dies, because at least I know that my three ladies are not going to be involved in any of the mess. And then they were at the scene of the crime when the photo was being taken. I was like, I swear to God, if, like, like, Laurie gets the stray bullet or like, they randomly kill, like, Kate, like, I don't think. I think I had the capacity for that.
[00:21:30] Speaker B: No, it would have been way too much. I would have been way too much.
[00:21:33] Speaker A: Their storyline ended up being kind of.
[00:21:35] Speaker B: It was. And I feel like out of all the storylines, theirs was the most, like, micro. You know, like, that was very season one and two coded with the relationships unfolding. And I.
I did think it was really sweet. Like, the next day when Jacqueline goes up to Laurie's room and it's like, I'm sorry about Valentine. Like, I just want to be your friend.
I thought that that was really special and just very sweet. And I do feel like that was one of the only happy endings that we got, was their relationship coming to an end that week. And honestly, the Emmy should probably start engraving Carrie coons Emmy because, yeah, she.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: Had a great beginning to end storyline.
[00:22:28] Speaker B: I mean, talk about identity. I feel like her identity was really questioned and challenged, and at least in my opinion, I feel like she came out through the other side.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: I think they all kind of did.
[00:22:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:46] Speaker A: I mean, I think Jacqueline probably made a breakthrough because I think she felt like she really did something fucked up eventually. Like, you could See that it was kind of eating away at her.
And then towards the end when Valentin was like, oh, you guys want to do this? You guys want to do that? And they were kind of like, yeah, you know, she, she finally made the right decision, which was, you know, choosing your hoe before your bro or your sister before your chick before dick.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: And I just loved when she said, you know, I'm happy for your face, I'm happy you have a great family, and I'm just happy to be at the table. Like, that felt very Mike White coated. Like, that felt like something he's probably said to his friends before.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what he said in the final Tribal Council of Survivor.
That was his speech. Maybe he could have pulled up the.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: Win and probably, probably.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: I like that Jacqueline said, I think she said, like, you know, all my life I've been judged over the little minute things, but you guys judge me over the profound things. And I was like, yeah, I'm glad that she's finally recognizing real friendship.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: Right, right. Because, I mean, there really is nothing like a friend who has known you for 30 plus years that can see through the bullshit. Like, people like that really are like mirrors to who you are. And I just thought it was really special because it's like having friends that you've known for so long and sometimes people go different ways. Sometimes someone's a mom, people go to a city, people leave the the country. You know what I mean?
[00:24:26] Speaker A: Sometimes one of them becomes a Trump supporter.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: Right. And I mean, could never be any of my friends, but whatever.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: You never know these days I, I know, let me never know these days.
[00:24:40] Speaker B: I, I, I know unless a is bold face lying to my face.
But I do appreciate that, like Lori saying, you know, I tried my career being my religion, I tried being a parent as a religion, I tried, you know, marriage as a religion. And the only religion is time. And you guys have been there through thick and thin, has seen me in all of these variations of my life and I don't know, I just really felt that because I have, like, I'm grateful that I have some really old friends that I've known for 20 plus years and we have so much history and we're all doing different stuff. Sometimes someone struggles and it's like in the gutter and then sometimes someone's doing really well and, you know, it can't be hard. It's like I was saying, it is a mirror. So it can't be hard to, if you're going through it and your best friend is like, doing well. You know, like, sometimes that can be a challenging thing. Even as much as it brings you joy, you can't help but be, like, with the identity of, like, thinking of your own decisions. Because it does reach a point, like, the older you get, where your decisions.
[00:26:08] Speaker A: Like, really justify them. Is what Lori said.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
[00:26:13] Speaker A: I mean, because, you know, poor thing was just going through flop after flop after flop. I mean, she was like, I didn't do marriage good. I didn't do lawyer good. I didn't do mom good. I accidentally fucked that Russian guy and then he was asking me to PayPal him.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: Right?
[00:26:28] Speaker A: But I'm just happy to be right.
[00:26:32] Speaker B: I'm a survivor, a single mom who.
[00:26:40] Speaker A: Sometimes it's not about the destination, it's about the flops along the way, girl.
[00:26:45] Speaker B: And I love a flop, Tita. I'm always rooting for a flopping ass bitch. I love a flop.
[00:26:51] Speaker A: The queen of flops.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: The queen of flops.
[00:26:54] Speaker A: I don't just set the bar. I flops it.
[00:26:58] Speaker B: Okay, I don't know if you know about this, but I was reading about Mike White. Apparently a major scene was cut and I would have loved to have seen this.
[00:27:11] Speaker A: The one of Piper and Zion.
[00:27:13] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:27:13] Speaker A: I honestly didn't feel like I needed to see it.
[00:27:16] Speaker B: Yeah. So Piper comes back from the monastery and it's like, you know, I. Saxton's right. I do just need to have sex, because I guess she is the virgin. And she's like, I do just need to, like, rip the band aid off. So she's like, case in the resort restaurant, looking around, and she sees Zion, who is a actual animation character come to life. Like, drop dead gorgeous. And they have sex and she, as she should, as anyone should on, I can only imagine a beautiful penis. And Mike cut it because he said he felt like it was doing too much. And he was like, in the middle of, like, this mystery. And, like, everyone trying to worry about who getting shot, throwing in like, a rom com would be like, okay, what the fuck is going on?
[00:28:15] Speaker A: I agree with that. To be honest, I don't think it would have really added much. And the less I see a Piper, quite frankly, the better.
[00:28:22] Speaker B: That's true. I just would have loved to see Zion in a compromise. In position.
Yeah.
[00:28:32] Speaker A: With Piper. I wish he would have done it with Lachlan.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: Oh, God, no. But it's funny because after you notice, like, she went from wearing, like, frolic clothes looking like a cult member for real.
[00:28:50] Speaker A: She does look like one of the Midsummer girlies, the way that she dresses.
[00:28:54] Speaker B: Yes. But then after she's wearing glitter, she's sparkling bejeweled, and Saxton says to her, like, oh, you look different.
And it's like, yeah, after she fucked, she looked different. And it's just funny that Saxton and Piper completely did a 180 in the sense of, like, on the way there, she's reading the book and he's thinking about how horny he is. And then on the way back, she's thinking about how horny she is and how she just got digged down and he's reading the book about Buddhism. So it's definitely interesting that they. There's so much symmetry there that they ended up basically becoming each other by the end of the trip.
[00:29:41] Speaker A: And then Lachlan started off alive, died, and then ended up alive again.
[00:29:47] Speaker B: Girl, I was so irritated. I'm sorry. Two poison fake outs, like, pam, mama, you oversold that tree. That tree ain't.
[00:29:55] Speaker A: I mean, not to mention. So the dad for, like, four or five episodes, it was like holding the gun in every shot. You know, every single moment he could, he was making sure the camera saw that he had a gun. And it was like, oh, okay, that's a gun, because they're gonna shoot a gun. And then the gun just gets snatched from him. And then at the last moment, it's like, okay, poison fruit instead. And then it's like, oh, I'm gonna poison everyone except Lachlan. And then he's like, no, I don't want to poison everybody. And then he's like, oops, I accidentally poisoned Lachlan. And then he was like, oh, okay, Lachlan's fine. And I'm like, okay.
[00:30:28] Speaker B: And I'm just like, a. Nobody's like, what the fuck happened to Lachlan? Like, we just. We're just not going to talk about it. I mean, and I feel like that was such a missed opportunity in terms of, like, as a writer. I was like, damn, if he would have died, that could have been such a fantastic way to open Pandora's box, finding Lachlan dead. And then Saxy would have been like, oh, shit, it's my fault. And then Piper would have been like, no, it's my fault.
[00:30:58] Speaker A: And then the monkey would have grabbed the gun.
[00:31:01] Speaker B: And Tim would have been like, no, actually, it's my fault. I tried to kill y'all because of abcd. And I feel like that could have been such a really cool way to see that a them finding out. And just the irony of the youngest and person who he didn't want to kill to be killed.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: I know that could have happened in, like, episode five or six, honestly.
[00:31:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Especially if it's not. It's a fake out. Like, we could have done that days ago. And then the coconut milk was off. The coconut milk was off.
[00:31:42] Speaker A: I'm like, girl, the champagne's burnt.
[00:31:46] Speaker B: I don't know, because I. I don't know. I feel like obviously they have life insurance. Lachlan would have been good.
[00:31:52] Speaker A: Would they have been? I. I don't know if they have any life insurance left.
[00:31:56] Speaker B: Well, I don't know technically, like, if you're being subpoenaed and your assets are being seized, if life insurance accounts. But I feel like Lachlan would have been okay. But that would have been obviously traumatizing and fucked up if they all just died in front of him. But, like, the fact that none of them had, like, stomach issues the next day, like, everybody woke up fine. I was like, yeah, it's a little.
[00:32:22] Speaker A: It was a little red herringy for the sake of being red herringy.
[00:32:26] Speaker B: Extremely, extremely.
[00:32:28] Speaker A: I was like, I thought Lachlan was gonna die and then be like, I just need Sexton to give me mouth.
[00:32:32] Speaker B: To mouth, you know? Lachlan said, you cannot keep a twink.
[00:32:39] Speaker A: Down that demon twink.
[00:32:41] Speaker B: I'm coming up. I'm coming up, honey.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: I'm a pleaser, and I know it would not please y'all if I died.
[00:32:48] Speaker B: Okay? But that conversation with Saxton, I was, like, low key. Lachlan has some good points. Like, I. I was like, not you having me get pro.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: Incest.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: The incest. No. But, like, it just made sense because, A, he's a virgin, so he don't really know what the fuck to do. B, what he said, like, you only care about getting off. And you were just laying there. I've never fucking done this before.
Like, that's. He probably. He was fucked up in a state of mind, having no identity. You know, like, he was feeling horny.
Not even horny, but I think that he felt like that was a connection. I don't know. I just feel like he. He did. I understood his mindset more about that interaction.
[00:33:51] Speaker A: I mean, he was, like, eyeing him up and down. The first episode, though, he wanted a piece of it and he got.
[00:33:57] Speaker B: I don't even know if he wanted a piece of it. Like I said before, I don't think that Lachlan knows how to express his adoration for his siblings. And that was, like, a prime example of that.
[00:34:13] Speaker A: I mean, I could do another season of this family, because I feel like there's still so much more development.
[00:34:18] Speaker B: I know. I really. I would have loved to have seen them just, like, their phones blowing up. I just would have loved it. You kind of got a glimpse of that with Saxton. Like, he does look a little.
[00:34:33] Speaker A: But who knows? Maybe two, three seasons from now we'll see, you know, Lachlan working as, like, a bellboy at the White Lotus, you know, France. Because they love twinks in France.
[00:34:45] Speaker B: That's true. I do feel like Saxton grew out of everyone in the family. I feel like Saxton actually grew the most. I feel like he kind of had an epiphany, especially Patrick Schwarzenegger. Like, kudos to him because he ate. He did a really good job of being unlikable. But then, like, one of the last scenes with him when he is talking to Chelsea and, you know, he's like, oh, I'm almost done with the book. And then he sees her run to Rick and have this, like, beautiful, genuine moment. And you could see the tears weltering in his eyes of like, I want that. I want that too. And then he looks over to Chloe, and Chloe is kind of like the female version of him in a way.
[00:35:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Because she just wants to get off. And she was like, it's okay. I'll find somebody else.
[00:35:43] Speaker B: And it was like, damn, I don't. I don't want that. I don't want that.
[00:35:47] Speaker A: You know, he got the soul that Chelsea had said that he didn't have. And you know what? I wish Chelsea had maybe given him a chance. I think she might be in a better place.
[00:35:57] Speaker B: Well, I mean, ultimately she got what she wanted, right? Like, she did, you know, get to be with Rick in eternity, in this life and the next life.
And it was so. I love that final shot of them. Like, it was a literal ying yang of her face down in the water and him looking up. And I just.
I just felt so bad. And it's so crazy, too. Like, I feel like if. And this is not saying that it's all this woman's fault, but I do feel like if Amrita, the therapist, had just taken five minutes to talk to Rick, like Zion, he didn't even want to take the fucking session. She could have said, let me, like, talk to this man who is on the brink of tears, sweating profusely, about to have a. In the middle of a nervous breakdown. Like, if she would have just taken a few minutes to be there for Rick, none of this would have happened. And I. I don't I don't know if she knows the gravity of the situation, but I feel like if that was me, I would carry a lot of fucking guilt for not taking the five minutes to talk to him because it could have been a completely fucking different outcome. That, and if Jim would have just said, I'm your dad, I don't know why he had to be like, your mom was a lying slut. Your dad wasn't a good man. And, yeah, I was. Oh, I'm like, damn, let Chelsea eat this donut in peace.
[00:37:39] Speaker A: It looks like it was, like, a matcha donut or something.
[00:37:41] Speaker B: It was like matcha or pistachio. Maybe.
I love a pistachio donut.
[00:37:47] Speaker A: If that was my last meal on earth, maybe I'd be okay.
[00:37:50] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, if I die with the person I love with the matcha or pistachio donut, it's worse ways to go.
[00:37:57] Speaker A: There's worse ways to. In a beautiful locale, being swept off.
[00:38:02] Speaker B: Carried by your man. It was giving. I don't know if there's any people who watched the OC Growing up, but it was giving Ryan and Marissa. And I was very triggered because I still haven't gotten over that 20 years later. And I was like, it's giving Ryan and Marissa. It's giving English patient, just him carrying her, and then giving Mary and Jesus.
The guy talk. Sacrificing his beliefs to shoot him. And then we see guy talk in the all black. It was almost like symbolism of him mourning his former self and being trapped in this new person that he's created for himself. But he got mook and he got the job.
[00:38:48] Speaker A: I hope the pussy was worse.
[00:38:50] Speaker B: I hope she better be laying it down.
[00:38:54] Speaker A: Why did they cast k Pop idol Lisa? Just to, like, not really do anything.
[00:38:58] Speaker B: I mean, between. Okay, here's. Here's what I'm saying. Lisa.
What? Fabian, the hotel manager. Girl, you should have been an assistant. You should. I know.
[00:39:13] Speaker A: I thought that he was going to be in on the robbery, and then he wasn't.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: He. He was.
[00:39:17] Speaker A: Oh, he was not in on the robbery. I thought he was going to be in with Rick. When he was, like, denying Belinda's, like.
[00:39:23] Speaker B: Fears, girl, I was like, he was.
[00:39:25] Speaker A: Just being a weirdo.
[00:39:26] Speaker B: He was just being a weirdo.
[00:39:27] Speaker A: I'm glad I didn't have to watch him sing. I don't care about your moment.
[00:39:30] Speaker B: No, I don't care. I was.
[00:39:33] Speaker A: I am the moment.
[00:39:33] Speaker B: I was. I was so irritated. I'm like, the best thing he did was fall in the water when the shooting Happened.
[00:39:39] Speaker A: I know. It was funny. I was like, yeah.
[00:39:41] Speaker B: I was like, at least he did something because he. He gave us nothing. At least Mook kind of put. Moved the story along with guy talk.
[00:39:52] Speaker A: But she gave Mook. He gave Mooch.
[00:39:55] Speaker B: But literally, though, like, oh, my God, that is so frustrated. But apparently Mike White says that season four is going to be thematically less heady, so we won't be theorizing as much for next season. He said he might want to focus on fame and kind of that.
[00:40:20] Speaker A: He does that very well.
[00:40:22] Speaker B: He does.
[00:40:23] Speaker A: Any final thoughts on this season? What would you give it out of 10?
[00:40:28] Speaker B: Out of 10? I think I give it like a 6.5. Oh, no, I. I feel like it's. It's like a B plus. A minus.
[00:40:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:40:41] Speaker B: It's just funny that everyone just went about their business after a mass shooting, and I'm like, only American.
[00:40:47] Speaker A: American.
[00:40:48] Speaker B: Exactly. Only Americans could just be like, that's crazy. Oh, we're on the boat.
[00:40:54] Speaker A: Kate didn't have an AR15 on her.
[00:40:57] Speaker B: And her. Yeah, she in Texas girl.
[00:40:58] Speaker A: You know, she said, get me to God's country.
[00:41:03] Speaker B: I don't know, I just felt like for eight episodes, the amount of time we spent setting it up, I just. I don't know, I feel like maybe just seven episodes, like, every episode is a day, like a week. But what do you. What do you give it?
[00:41:20] Speaker A: I think I gave it a seven. I think I. I appreciate it for what it was like. I think in hindsight, getting rid of the fact that maybe I was hoping for certain things that didn't happen.
I think the actual season and what it delivered, I think was pretty. Pretty good.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, so I know we said we were gonna do a fan cast for season four.
[00:41:42] Speaker A: We wanted the. The kooky leading actress, a hot guy, the hunk, a young, kind of breakout ingenue star, the hotel manager, a couple. So that's technically two, but it's one. And then the location, you do all yours.
[00:42:01] Speaker B: So that I'll go. And if we have. If there's any overlap, I will gag.
[00:42:05] Speaker A: I think I. I think I went kind of creative, though. So my.
[00:42:09] Speaker B: I do too. I do too. Are you saying I'm not creative?
[00:42:12] Speaker A: Correct. I think I'm gonna start with my location first. I'm thinking White Lotus, Aspen, ski resort vibes.
[00:42:23] Speaker B: You're lying. You're lying.
[00:42:25] Speaker A: Is that what you do, too?
[00:42:26] Speaker B: No, but I did go cold. And I also said I skiing. And I did go.
[00:42:34] Speaker A: I feel like it's. You know, we've done the hot. It's time for a little cold.
[00:42:38] Speaker B: Wow.
Okay.
[00:42:42] Speaker A: All right.
My. See, that's why I wanted to go first.
I didn't want you to arriet and steal my jokes.
[00:42:50] Speaker B: No, I literally have my written down. So don't even.
[00:42:53] Speaker A: You know, I saw you. I saw you erasing. Oh, yeah, I wrote. I wrote.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: Whatever, whatever.
[00:42:58] Speaker A: So my eating lady, I went with Bridget Everett.
[00:43:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:43:05] Speaker A: I think she is hilarious. I think she has so much range as an actress. She did somebody somewhere, which was on HBO as well.
[00:43:13] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:43:14] Speaker A: Which really showed her ability to not only do funny, but to do serious. She does cabaret performances. I think she's great. And I think she's like one of those people who's just like, teetering on the verge of, like, that a list moment. I think she deserves it so much. First it was Jennifer COOLIDGE in the JCPenney commercials or the Old Navy commercials. And now Parker Posey's doing Gap. And you know what? I want Bridget Everett to do Target.
[00:43:37] Speaker B: Not Target. She's better than Target.
[00:43:38] Speaker A: Let's get her Target.
[00:43:40] Speaker B: Yes. Target is not it anymore. Let's give her, like, Targets.
[00:43:43] Speaker A: Not it.
[00:43:43] Speaker B: No, let's give her like a J. Crew. Yeah, Anthropology.
[00:43:48] Speaker A: Oh, anthropology.
[00:43:50] Speaker B: Abercrombie Fitch with. Not that they rebranded and they do a big girl close again. Okay.
[00:43:55] Speaker A: It'd be a good way to. To reintroduce themselves properly.
[00:43:59] Speaker B: Okay. Okay.
[00:44:00] Speaker A: I like that because I love Bridget Everett. And then I have for my young ingenue star, I went with Liv Hewson. You know, I had to throw a yellow jacket in the mix. And I am just such a big fan of Liv Hewson, who plays the character Van.
And I would love, like, maybe like a mother. Daughter. Bridget Everett. Liv Hewson. Liv actually identifies as non binary in real life. So I think it really could be interesting to see Mike White play with, like, the relationship between a parent and coming to terms with a queer child. And I think those two actors, actresses, could definitely deliver on that.
Then for my hunky sexy heartthrob band, I went with Joan Howard King, who was in the Little Mermaid, the live action. Oh, he's Prince Eric.
[00:44:46] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:44:47] Speaker A: If you're going to be Prince Eric, you got to be cute. And he definitely was. He's got the little dimple. He could sing. And he's so cute, like, on the red carpet. Like, I kind of shipped him and Halle Bailey the whole time. And I would love to see him maybe like, as like a kind of ski bro guy. And maybe he can have you Know, a little romance with Bridget Everett or maybe he could have romance with Liv Houston or just, you know, we'll see what happens. Okay, then for my couple, I went with Jamie Dornan, who you might know from the 50 Shades movie. I know from Barbin Starr.
[00:45:21] Speaker B: I was gonna say he eats his.
[00:45:23] Speaker A: Song and Belfast, which, I mean, if you want to talk about range, he can do goofy, he can do over the top sexy, and then he can do, you know, a really good emotional movie. I went with him and Anna Diop, who was in the show Titans, which was also on Max. It was like an adult teen Titans show. The show was so bad, but she literally was so good in the show. She's so beautiful. She was in the movie Us. She played Lupita's mom, like, in the flashback scene, like, so just like a very brief moment. But I was happy to see her, you know, getting some more work because she is just so interesting. I think they would make a very kind of sexy international couple. He's Irish and she's from Senegal.
I could see them as like kind of a very sexy, rich, fancy, influencer type couple.
[00:46:12] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:46:13] Speaker A: And I'm into it. And then for the manager, I went with Chicago comedian on the rise.
[00:46:19] Speaker B: Caleb said, touch the coats.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: I did think about that. So cheesy. Such a little kiss ass. I said, I think no. But I went with Caleb Huron. I mean, he is super on the rise right now. I mean, people are such a big fan of his comedy. And I do think, like, just kind of like a funny gay hotel manager would kind of serve.
[00:46:41] Speaker B: That would be.
That would be crazy. I would.
[00:46:45] Speaker A: I. I kind of see it for him.
[00:46:46] Speaker B: I can see it.
[00:46:47] Speaker A: And Maggie Winters, who is a comedian who is on Righteous Gemstones.
[00:46:52] Speaker B: That would be.
[00:46:52] Speaker A: So she's on the HBO radar. But I think either of them would be kind of perfect for White Lotus.
[00:46:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I would be so excited for either of them. They're.
[00:47:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Awesome. So that's my cast plus a bonus. I threw in a bonus because Mike White loves to cast a Survivor from David versus Goliath, has done a cameo on every season.
So I was like, oh, we can have like Christian and Gabby from Survivor, David versus Goliath or like the both on the David Tribe. But I also kind of was like, what if we just throw like Surrey or Party?
[00:47:24] Speaker B: I literally said three. I said three.
Okay.
[00:47:28] Speaker A: So that's my cast in Aspen.
[00:47:31] Speaker B: That's good.
[00:47:31] Speaker A: The theme would be snow.
[00:47:33] Speaker B: I love that. So we do have some overlap because I said three. And then for my Location. I went winter, I went cold weather, but I said the Swiss Alps.
[00:47:46] Speaker A: I was between the Swiss Alps and Aspen, but I went with Aspen because I like the idea of the isolation of it.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I feel like the Alps are isolated too. Or like Norway. Norway I also could see. So I'm definitely channeling cold energy. I'm picturing, like, Anatomy of a Fall, like, Body in the Snow kind of situation.
[00:48:10] Speaker A: Yeah, Definitely make for a good murder.
[00:48:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Like a Fargo.
[00:48:14] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:16] Speaker B: For my couple, I have a real life couple.
Angela Bassett and Courtney B. Vance.
I don't know how Mike White would go about it because obviously he's not a black person, but I feel like with Natasha, they wrote a lot together and he got a lot of her, like, opinion on stuff. Like, obviously as a black woman, and I would really like to see, like, a wealthy black couple navigate their way through these predominantly white spaces. I feel like that would. It's just. I don't know, it's something we haven't seen yet. And seeing, you know, Belinda get her come up, I'd love to see some more. And even just thinking of that little moment she has with the black people when she's at the White Lotus and.
[00:49:04] Speaker A: They were the moment from Survivor.
[00:49:06] Speaker B: Right. So, yeah, I think that that would be really cool to see how they could navigate their way through the white gaze in that scenario and not get.
[00:49:19] Speaker A: Shot literally in the white snow. Talking about being surrounded by white.
[00:49:24] Speaker B: Right, right.
For funny person come back. I said, my girl, Lisa Kudrow.
[00:49:35] Speaker A: She was on my. She was on my list.
[00:49:37] Speaker B: Yeah, she is on my list. I would love. No one does, you know, like, no one does it like her. And I would love for her to be reintroduced to the youngins. You know, for hotel manager, I said I could see maybe like a Rasheeda Jones. I don't know, I could see her being some kind of, like, management role.
[00:50:03] Speaker A: I think I could see her being in White Lotus. I mean, they've definitely, you know, dabbled in the Parks and Rec universe a little bit with Aubrey Plaza. And Parker Posey was on Parks and Rec for a little bit.
[00:50:13] Speaker B: Yeah. So I could see Rashida Jones and I also have Rose Byrne.
[00:50:18] Speaker A: They both are, you know, very beautiful, but also can do the funny as well because I think White Lotus kind of teeters on drama and comedy, so.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: Well, yeah, yeah.
For It Girl, I said Daisy Egger Jones.
And then for Hot guy, It Guy, I said Charles Melton.
[00:50:42] Speaker A: Ooh, yeah, he's sexy.
[00:50:44] Speaker B: He's sexy. And we know he has Melton in your mouth. Yeah. You know, he has rage. And I think that that could be like a little. A little tea seeing him.
[00:50:56] Speaker A: Were you looking through the. The cast of that sexy guy war movie to figure out which one of them you wanted to pick as your hunk?
He said Charles Melton. Will Poulter kick Connor.
[00:51:06] Speaker B: I mean, Will Poulter.
Will Poulter is also on this list.
[00:51:12] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:51:13] Speaker B: But yeah, I think that that's my little fan cast.
That I could see at least one of them being plucked into the Alps.
[00:51:24] Speaker A: I love that we both want snow. I just think it makes for such a good, like, murder mystery setup, like, being snowed in, right, with like, around.
[00:51:32] Speaker B: The fire, like, who did it?
[00:51:34] Speaker A: And I know all the opera ski fashion I think would be so kind.
[00:51:38] Speaker B: Yes. Amor fati. Amor fati.
[00:51:42] Speaker A: What did you just call me?
[00:51:45] Speaker B: What did you call me?
[00:51:46] Speaker A: Amor Fatty.
[00:51:47] Speaker B: Fati. Not a fatty. Okay, girl.
[00:51:51] Speaker A: I love you, fatty.
[00:51:54] Speaker B: I love you, fatty. Amore, more fat.
[00:51:59] Speaker A: Yes, please.
[00:52:01] Speaker B: So, us, thank you guys for listening to an extra helping of the Dish with Tish this week. The best thing about the show is the community. And it's been so fun talking about it and sharing our thoughts and theories and just connecting. I'm just grateful that we were able to, like, be here from the beginning of the season to now. And, yeah, I'm just gonna, like, miss talking about it and the community of it all, but.
[00:52:34] Speaker A: Oh, my God, don't cry.
[00:52:35] Speaker B: I'm gonna fucking cry.
[00:52:36] Speaker A: You don't have to cry about it.
[00:52:38] Speaker B: Don't cry.
We're checking out of the White Lotus episode of the Dish with Tish, and we love you guys. Make sure you leave us a five star rating like your review, and we will see you very soon. Bye.
