Scamanda: West Side Whorey

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:19] Speaker B: I'm getting hyped for the episode. I was listening to no Brook Boys, no New Friends. And I know that's what Sierra listening to. No Broke Boys, no New Friends. [00:00:27] Speaker C: See, I did. I did go on Instagram and saw that Sierra had posted a story. So I looked at it. It was a. Yeah. So I was like, you know what? Even in her. Her bad day, she's protecting those damn dolls. [00:00:39] Speaker D: Yes. And you know what? We're protecting her. Hello. Hello. Welcome to an emergency episode of the Dish with Tish. All hands on deck. Somebody call 91 1. Because you guys, there are certain days you remember, okay, you remember where you were 9 11. You remember where you were January six. You remember where you were [00:01:08] Speaker B: if you [00:01:08] Speaker D: were alive for Princess Diana scandal. Of course. And you remember where you were when that fuck ass joint statement came out. And something I have said is I was like, damn, I wish I had a podcast during Scantival, because when I tell you, it consumed my entire mind. I was just like, you know, like Charlie from It's Always Sunny with the board. Like, that was me with that, and this is me with that. And I am so grateful that I have the Dishers here to dissect this. Okay? This is one of those Bravo events that has crossed over into the mainstream, and I just want to let you guys know, this is a safe space, okay? You need somewhere to debrief, I'm here. I've got your voice messages. I can't wait to play them. I'm so excited. And you're safe here. And it's giving scandal, but not quite. And we're going to get into the comparisons and all of that, and we're going to do a full breakdown of everything that's happened thus far. And we're just going to explain what's going down, because the goal of this episode is, is to have a comprehensive breakdown, if you will, of everything that's been going on, all the facts. Going to give you a timeline breakdown. And honestly, this is really a place for me to freak the fuck out, because this is crazy. This is wild. And yes, I'm thinking of this as I've got my glasses on. This is an education. Get into it. Okay? This is an education, and I hope it's satisfying to everyone, whether you are someone who's all caught up and know all the tea or you don't know what the fuck is going on and you're here to get caught up and you're paying attention now. You are in good hands. And speaking of good hands, My panel today are two expert Bravo Summerhouse girlies. We're gonna give it up for the ADHD comedian herself, Ms. Kimberly Eheime. Yeah. [00:03:49] Speaker B: I also have good hands. Okay. Moisturized. [00:03:52] Speaker D: We stay moisturized. Okay. Just like Sierra Miller, we stay moisturized. And speaking of moisturized, if you want to moisturize your ends, we've got an amazing hairstylist here. Mikayla Mercer. [00:04:07] Speaker B: That's me. [00:04:09] Speaker D: That's you. Oh, my God. And of course, we've got Meg in the booth doing our audio. Oh, my God. I'm so excited to dish with you guys and hear what you have to say about everything and just dissect this. I. We've been, like, purposefully not trying to talk about it so we could get it all out here in Dish, so I can't wait to hear what y' all have to say. But before we get into that, let's. Let's do a little breakdown for the people who are not caught up. And even if you are caught up, just a little refresh of the Summer House events. How's that sound? Cool. [00:04:48] Speaker B: Love it. [00:04:49] Speaker C: An education. [00:04:50] Speaker D: We love an education. [00:04:52] Speaker B: And education. [00:04:53] Speaker D: Reading is what fun. Period. Okay, so the key players here are Kyle Cook, Amanda Petula, Sierra Miller, and Wes Wilson. Now, Amanda and Kyle are a former couple, and they were together for over a decade. Okay. And they announced that they're separating just a few months ago on January 19th. So everything we're seeing play out on this current season, season 10 of Summer House is the fallout from their marriage, and it is them in a really, really terrible spot and place in their marriage. And truly, for me, the only way of getting through it is knowing that they're not together anymore, because it is rough. Okay? But technically, everyone in the situation is single, so this is one of the key components to why it's not Scandal. And also, how do we feel about Scamanda? How do you guys feel? Because I've heard Scamanda. I've heard Scamandaval, but my personal favorite is it's west side Hy. I like that a lot. [00:06:14] Speaker C: I think I. I think I like Westside Hor. It feels correct. [00:06:20] Speaker B: Yes. [00:06:21] Speaker D: Yeah, it really does. It really does. Yeah. [00:06:24] Speaker B: I mean, what about both Scamanda West. [00:06:29] Speaker C: Oh, Scamanda. A West. A Westside hori. [00:06:32] Speaker B: Yes. [00:06:32] Speaker D: A West side Scamanda. [00:06:36] Speaker C: Colon. [00:06:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Colon. [00:06:38] Speaker D: Yes, Colon. [00:06:38] Speaker B: The west side west side. [00:06:42] Speaker D: Hi. Yes. Let me trademark that right now. Okay? [00:06:49] Speaker B: Okay. [00:06:52] Speaker D: Okay. So what are residuals? [00:06:54] Speaker B: What are our royalties as? [00:06:57] Speaker D: And that's a big reason why it's different, because Technically, everyone in this situation is single. Um, and it's more about the friendships at play and the complete violation of girl code. Okay. Like Amanda and Ciara have been. Have long proclaimed that they're besties and, you know, they're the bedbugs with Paige. Paige desorbo, who was on the show. And Amanda has credited Ciara with helping her through this rough breakup that she's been having with Kyle. And if you watch this past week's episode, like the way Sierra shows up for Amanda, I mean, like, she's a loyal ass girl. She's a Capricorn. Sierra's the Capricorn. So she's going to show up for your ass. That's who you want in your corner. So this is really why it is such a frustrating thing, but also why it's different from Scandal because technically no one was together, but it's still a violation. Okay. So Wes joined in season eight and when he joined, he was one of the new people on the block. Him and Jesse were the new guys on the block. And west started vibing with Ciara and they started hooking up and Ciara joined the show in season five. And west and Ciara, after hooking up, they actually got into a real relationship and they were together. Together. She met his parents. She was with him. Okay. And then it ended on the not best of terms because Wes decided to do an op ed for the New York Times and that's how she found out they weren't together. [00:08:54] Speaker C: Hello? [00:08:55] Speaker D: Hello. So this past season was basically Season 9 is basically Sierra not fucking with west at all, giving him the time of day. I believe at one point this season she said something to him like, oh, you or he said, I'm scared to talk to you. And she said, good, that's how that I'm doing it the right way. I designed it perfectly. Because I'm not trying to talk to you. I'm not trying to talk to you. But cut to this current season and it's giving will they, won't they? Very flirty. Even though west, his version of flirting is very like 8th grade middle school, like playing footsie and moving her chair. I'm like, man, how old are you? I hate that. [00:09:45] Speaker C: I hate when she said that he would sit on her to flirt. I was like, what do you. What do you like? [00:09:53] Speaker D: What are you talking about? What do you mean sit on alter you? It's weird. [00:09:58] Speaker B: It's weird. [00:09:59] Speaker D: It's weird. It's weird. And so yes, this season there. [00:10:05] Speaker B: So let's. Can we also just Acknowledge that like Wes brought his ex girlfriend to the mixer for his friend to meet other people. That is strange in and of itself. [00:10:15] Speaker D: And then the friend started dating the other friend, the new person. [00:10:20] Speaker B: That's so weird. [00:10:22] Speaker C: There's a lot of layers of just like weird incest within the summer house. [00:10:30] Speaker D: Very much, very much. Cut to this season and on the other hand, Kyle and Amanda, their marriage is beginning to crumble. And. And like I said, two months ago, Amanda and Kyle officially announced that they were separating. And I saw a tweet that said making public statements with two, two guys within 90 days of each other is wild. Like Amanda, girl, stop with the statements. Okay? So that's the foundation of the situation here. They were all living in this house together. Kyle and west are like cool. They're like bros. Like yeah, man. But they don't like hang out like that versus like Sierra and Sierra and Amanda are actually like really good friends and support each other. So that's really why everyone is like up in arms about it. So we're gonna start with the statement and kind of work our way towards where we are now and how we're feeling. So I'm gonna read this fuck ass statement that these motherfuckers something too before [00:11:49] Speaker B: you go into this because I feel like this is important for the education portion is that Ciara has been a ride or die for Amanda the whole way through. Like Kyle has not always treated Amanda properly and Sierra has always, always had Amanda's back and has spoken up for her when she herself could not even speak for herself and has been the person that's like you're treating your wife wrong. This person is amazing. You are so blessed to have this person in your life, like legit. I just need people to know that like she literally on national television and behind the scenes, she stood up ride or die. She stood on business for her friend. [00:12:29] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:12:29] Speaker B: That is a duty. She has always been a duty to Amanda and it's usually always been reciprocated back. To be fair, Amanda has always been that friend to Sierra too. That's. [00:12:42] Speaker D: Michaela has some. I know Michaela anti Amanda from day one. So. [00:12:48] Speaker B: Really? [00:12:49] Speaker D: Oh my God. We're gonna get into it. We're gonna get into it. But let's. [00:12:51] Speaker C: I can't wait. [00:12:52] Speaker D: Let's read this statement really quick. Before, Before. Okay. Because I know, I know, I know we've got a lot of feelings. [00:12:58] Speaker B: Okay. [00:12:59] Speaker D: Okay. This is their mutual joint statement. Mutual joint. Same thing. We've seen. We've seen the growing. We've seen this. Don't even. [00:13:11] Speaker B: Let's just talk about the first word we've used. [00:13:14] Speaker D: We're weaving your story. The only thing that's weaving is your story. [00:13:20] Speaker C: Story that you're making up your lies into this. [00:13:25] Speaker B: I would shut my phone the minute I've seen weave. What you mean apostrophe? Weave? [00:13:31] Speaker D: Girl by connection. [00:13:33] Speaker C: I'm so sorry. [00:13:34] Speaker D: Oh, so we've got a weave, right? [00:13:37] Speaker B: Oh, not even a western eye. It's a weave. [00:13:43] Speaker D: It's a lot of weeds in here. [00:13:46] Speaker B: You talk about weaves. [00:13:48] Speaker C: No, they're not. [00:13:49] Speaker D: They're not talking about. They're not talking about weaves. They're not talking about a yaki. Okay. [00:13:54] Speaker B: They're not talking about that 20 inches. [00:13:58] Speaker D: This is different. If you did a shot for every time they said we in the statement, you would be lit. [00:14:04] Speaker C: Wasted. You're legally not allowed to drive after that first parent. [00:14:08] Speaker D: No, no. This is going to ruin the tour. This is going to ruin the tour. [00:14:12] Speaker B: I promise. I'm gonna let you finish Nintisha. It's just. My God. [00:14:15] Speaker D: The one. Already we've seen the growing online speculation. So while this is still very new, we do a shot. Wanted to provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything. Given the complicated relationship dynamics involved in the scrutiny that comes along with being on a reality show, we needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it. We've showed up for each other as friends over the years and through all the highs and lows. And what's developed recently was the last thing either of us expected. [00:14:53] Speaker E: Our. [00:14:54] Speaker D: Our connection grew out of a genuine long standing friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach this with care. As our feelings evolved, we wanted to take time to understand exactly what. What we were feeling. We are also. We also recognize that this has had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. We. We. Bitch. No, I'm not in France. [00:15:38] Speaker C: Baguette. [00:15:40] Speaker B: No, this is too close to home with the baguettes. The week. [00:15:43] Speaker D: Okay, Can I just say like, first of all, as a. As a pr. They're both in communications. [00:15:57] Speaker B: This is a GPT response. And she put it in the chat. GPT. She said, I want to still stay this man and be okay with my friend in America. How do. How do I make this joint statement work? That's what it's giving. [00:16:09] Speaker C: Why is. Why is this a joint statement? Why is this a collaborative post? I don't could we not individual. Could we not individually make a statement? [00:16:21] Speaker D: Could we not use our individual brain cells? Like it's genuinely not a very good statement. [00:16:27] Speaker B: No. [00:16:30] Speaker D: Mainly the most noticeable thing to me was was that they didn't apologize to anyone who may have been hurt by their secret dating. That's really what gagged me was that there wasn't a sorry to Sierra, sorry to Kyle. [00:16:49] Speaker C: It's weird that they ambiguous of anyone. It could have hurt like they're personally victimizing me in Chicago, Illinois with what they're doing in the fuck off of New York. No, you're hurting your friends and I'd [00:17:02] Speaker B: like to talk about that. [00:17:03] Speaker D: Yes, absolutely. [00:17:05] Speaker B: This literally should have just been a post to the people that specifically she's hurting. Like we know that Summer House is not actors which also means we know that that's supposed to be a real friendship and clearly you all have carried on in that type of way and so for you to be acknowledging our and us and we but like literally the main relationship that glues everyone together like legitimately like the the conversations that they have in the bedroom as best friends is what brings me to Summer House. Like that is what friendship is. It's like spilling tea with your duties. Like we are there for those relationships. If those girls dynamic was not there like what the fuck are we watching? We're not watching Kyle, we're not watching Wes. [00:17:47] Speaker C: I'm certainly not watching Jesse. [00:17:49] Speaker D: I'm sorry we. Carl, we. We are not watching Carl or Kyle or any of those men. [00:18:00] Speaker C: I'll take season 10 Carl over Kyle every day of the week though Hondo P At least he's just standing sitting there with the [00:18:11] Speaker B: jaws were dropped to find out it was not the Australian man. I was like surely, surely they've been the entire because that man does have a crush on Amanda. [00:18:21] Speaker C: They have a crush on Amanda. That's the thing again the whole house is like into each other. I really at this point they just need to take their shirts off and have an orgy because like they all want to have sex with each other. [00:18:38] Speaker D: 100%. 100%. And as for Sierra, she was photographed shortly after the news broke and all hell broke loose. Don't even she was apparently crying so sitting on the outside of a Hermes store in New York which honestly is incredibly chic. So chic. [00:18:57] Speaker B: So I live in a white dress too sitting on cement and you know that was a nice white dress and [00:19:04] Speaker C: I so she looks like a man [00:19:07] Speaker B: west owe her a white dress period. [00:19:11] Speaker D: Yes, yes. [00:19:13] Speaker B: In az bag in a bag because they fumbled it. [00:19:18] Speaker D: Clock it. Clock it. And, you know, for the last. [00:19:22] Speaker B: We've decided few. [00:19:24] Speaker D: We decided that in the last few weeks, there's been a lot of speculation, but the large portion of the Bravo verse wanted this to be untrue, myself included. Yes, like. But the evidence just kept piling up. And then west, and this feels like years ago, a lifetime ago. Wes was on Watch what Happens Live last week, and Andy directly asked him about it and addressed the rumors on Watch what Happens Live. And it. He didn't deny them. And that's when I. That's when it peaked. I think that's when everyone went like, no, it couldn't be. Amanda would never. Amanda would never. And then west did that. Watch what Happens Live. And everyone said, what the. When he. When he was pressed on it, he said, and I quote, she's single now. And it's happened with other people that she's hung out with. We're just hanging out in New York. She's single. I kind of got to show her the streets, you know, and then. [00:20:30] Speaker C: Streets. Your sheets, sir. [00:20:32] Speaker B: Yes. [00:20:34] Speaker D: Are the sheets. Your streets are. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Microphone close to my mouth. Wait, did you miss your opportunity for law, Michaela? [00:20:44] Speaker C: I really should have. But alas, I decided I was better at having conversations about Bravo, so that's [00:20:49] Speaker D: what I do now. I need to know my. [00:20:52] Speaker B: The streets mean your sheets, sir. [00:20:54] Speaker C: Like, I need you to know. My last appointment did not know about Summer House. So it was the most excruciating hour [00:20:59] Speaker D: and a half of my life. I literally had a client yesterday, and she. When I. Okay, I saw your post and I thought about it when I said, do [00:21:08] Speaker C: you know Summer House? [00:21:10] Speaker D: Because the news broke yesterday. As of Wednesday. Okay, Wednesday the 31st. Okay. And I had a client at 12:30. The news broke at 12:00'. [00:21:25] Speaker A: Clock. [00:21:26] Speaker D: So I'm trying to get my scope together, and I'm losing my mind, and I'm praying this is a new client. I'm like, oh, my God, please, I hope. And first thing I say, hey, how are you? I don't even ask her about her skin. I say, do you watch Bravo? You watch Summer House? And she said, no, I don't. And I said, let me get this bitch out of here. [00:21:48] Speaker B: Cynthia, you're the one who told me, per us, you always got the dish. And I was at work, I work on a Chicago one show, and I go up to this girl who literally knows everything about what was happening with the movie Mormon Girlies and stuff. So I'm like, surely. I'm like, Tell me you watch Summer House, right? Of course you do. She's like, I'm sorry. I don't. It just deflated me. Like, I literally felt the balloon pop. I was so upset. [00:22:15] Speaker C: I need you to know I did text Tisha 0.25 seconds after I read the news. It was so instantaneous. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Yeah, she text me. She did inform me I got educated. [00:22:25] Speaker C: Here's the thing is the reason I started watching Bravo approximately 8 million years ago was because one Mississia Coates and I sat in the back room of the salon we worked at together, and she said, do you watch Vanderpump Rules? And I said, no, I don't. And she said, that's fine. I'm going to tell you everything about it. [00:22:40] Speaker D: And then I. This was what scandal happens. [00:22:43] Speaker C: That was what scandal happened. I proceeded to watch, I'm not even kidding. Nine seasons of a show over the course of two evenings. [00:22:50] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:22:51] Speaker D: I want to rip this shit. [00:22:53] Speaker B: Is that even possible? [00:22:55] Speaker D: You don't understand what that does to you. [00:22:57] Speaker C: It was. It was. You might be exaggerating it, but, you know, it's been years. [00:23:01] Speaker D: I'm allowed to be. [00:23:01] Speaker C: I'm allowed to be. [00:23:02] Speaker B: You're gonna put a little sauce on it. [00:23:03] Speaker C: I'm allowed to sprinkle it on. Yeah. [00:23:06] Speaker D: When I tell you, Michaela, you don't. You don't. When I tell you. That gave me so much life. Oh, my God. That is. That's. That's a compliment. That's the highest of praise, you guys. Someone says, I started watching this show because you got me into it, girl. We are horny. We are riled up. [00:23:26] Speaker B: We. [00:23:27] Speaker D: We. Not. [00:23:29] Speaker B: We are horny. That is insane. And I love it. We are horny. We, as a collective, our libido is I. [00:23:40] Speaker D: We are horny. We are slip sliding around. We need a cleanup on aisle 5 [00:23:51] Speaker B: weave to start off as weave alone. I still can't get over it. [00:23:55] Speaker D: No. [00:23:55] Speaker C: It is a strong word to start out with. [00:23:59] Speaker D: It's out the gate with. That is wild. Okay, wait. I didn't finish west statement. When Andy kept pushing him on it, he said, if it's not clear, quote, unquote, Wes said this. Let me be clear. Wes said, and I quote, if it's not clear, that's a very important person to me. And I like. And I like, care about her a lot. What. What is that? Word salad? Wes is the king of. Call him Chef Boy R. What's his sign? [00:24:32] Speaker B: Is he a Libra? [00:24:33] Speaker C: He's a Capricorn. [00:24:34] Speaker D: He be making a Word salad. [00:24:36] Speaker C: Is that shocking to you? Capricorns are the most un. Emotional, like, emotionally unintelligent people I've ever met in my life. [00:24:43] Speaker B: But do you know Sarah is a Capricorn? [00:24:46] Speaker C: Yeah, but she's a beautiful lady. [00:24:49] Speaker D: She's a Scorpio moon, though. The moon. [00:24:54] Speaker B: Okay. Scorpio moon. That's why it works. [00:24:56] Speaker C: And also, like, not to point out the obvious, but west is a white man from Missouri, period. [00:25:03] Speaker B: I. I will say I know that there's white men from Missouri that are. Are. Okay. [00:25:07] Speaker C: Are delightful. I know, but he just seems like an unevolved. [00:25:11] Speaker B: Yes. This is insane to just say if it's not clear. This is the person I care the most. We know you do a show with her, sir. We're asking, are you boning this girl? And you just gave us that, like, Miss America answer. That's crazy. Yeah. To literally just be like, oh, we're not messing around. We're not together. We're not an item. We're not. [00:25:32] Speaker C: No, no, no. [00:25:33] Speaker B: I would never do that. The proper and only response is, I would never do that to my friend Sierra. My friend Sierra. I would never do that. [00:25:43] Speaker D: Girlfriend. [00:25:43] Speaker B: My ex boy girlfriend. And his friend Kyle. Like, what? Like what? [00:25:50] Speaker C: Well, like, he was actively flirting with Sierra over at least last summer. I don't know what. What extended past that, but, like, totally. It's also not lost on me that that episode in which he pulled his chair right up to Sierra and started rubbing on her was 25 seconds after Amanda kissed Kyle. [00:26:09] Speaker D: People, I. I have seen that speculating online. I seen that online. [00:26:14] Speaker C: I unfortunately did rewatch a couple episodes. She said, like, my brain was like, let's go. My brain said, hey, girl, I'm sure you'll find some in the last few episodes. And it did. So that was. [00:26:28] Speaker D: Wow. [00:26:28] Speaker B: Now I need to find that clip. [00:26:30] Speaker D: Yes, yes. [00:26:30] Speaker B: I'm at a deficit because I have not watched the new episode that just came out on Peacock on Wednesday for me, so. [00:26:38] Speaker C: It was fine. [00:26:39] Speaker D: It was fine. [00:26:40] Speaker C: It was there. Carl talked about missing Bailey, and that's. I mean, genuinely the only part I remember from the show. [00:26:46] Speaker B: Oh, wow, that's not good. [00:26:48] Speaker C: Yeah, no, don't love it. But, you know, whatever, Right? [00:26:52] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:26:52] Speaker C: That's not why we're here. [00:26:53] Speaker D: I know that's not why we're here. So Dubois reported sightings of Weston, Amanda together as early as March 5th. And then Dave Portnoy, the fucking barstool sports guy, entered the chat saying, brianna, chicken wing, ding, fry, whatever the fuck told him that Kyle and Amanda were together at the super bowl, which was February 8th. Jay Portnoy is like, yawn, this shit's old. I've been knowing about this. What are y' all talking about? So that's. That's that. And also Sierra went to the super bowl with West. [00:27:41] Speaker B: Wait, make that make sense. So they were all there together and they were still together? [00:27:46] Speaker D: Yes. [00:27:47] Speaker B: So it was all of them hanging out. Like, the whole Summer house crew was. [00:27:50] Speaker C: It was multiple. [00:27:51] Speaker D: It was multiple summer house people. But west and Sierra were looking very chummy because I remember. I remember seeing posts and being like, oh, that's kind of cute. Like, maybe there's a little. But apparently him and Amanda were already boning. Already boning. People started noticing. People started noticing stuff because these rumors were swirling. There was a lot of shit floating around. And of course, us Bravo Snoops, we started noticing that they weren't one thing about the girls gonna gas each other up. We're gonna like everything. We're gonna comment multiple times. Okay? And they hadn't been liking each other's posts. They hadn't been commenting on anything. And, you know, I spent Sierra and. [00:28:44] Speaker B: And Amanda. [00:28:47] Speaker D: Sierra and Amanda. This has been the last few weeks when everything really started gearing up. People started noticing that. And then they were supposed to be on an Amazon Live together promoting olivitamins. I actually love those vitamins. If y' all want to sponsor me, I'm not mad about it. I do take them daily. But they were supposed to be on Amazon Live together to do this, and they did it separately. They were supposed to be a joint presentation, and they ended up doing it separately. So that's what people are like, oh. Huh. [00:29:26] Speaker B: It's real. [00:29:28] Speaker D: That's. That's a little. That's a little weird. And I spent almost two decades watching Bravo, and I know if your castmate is not liking your content or commenting on it, it's over. It's over. Something happened. It's over. It's over. It's over. [00:29:48] Speaker B: It's so. [00:29:49] Speaker C: It's so fucking over. [00:29:51] Speaker B: I also really need for you to, like, coin Bravo Snoops and, like, the Bendam, if you're a Bravo Snoop girly. [00:30:02] Speaker D: I love that. So that's where we're at now. So now that's. That's everything in a nutshell. [00:30:10] Speaker B: What I love about Real Housewives and what I love about Summer House and all of the Bravo shows is, like, it really makes you figure out where your moral compass lies, because, like, what. What are. How are we viewing this? And, like, for Me, my first lens is, this is a destroyed friendship. Destroyed. It's, it's, it's gone, it's evaporated. It will no longer be what it was. And then my brain goes, okay, Kyle, I'm sorry this hurts for you, but that is literally, that is truly how my brain is operating, is like, how in the world could your ride or die even for a second, even if you started having those feelings, the fact that you could continue on like this and literally not communicate with your best friend who has literally confided in you in the heartbreak and ache that she has over the same man, you are fucking like, how do you as a person justify the us, the we, the. The hour of that without thinking about the us, the we, the hour of the friendship of the person who literally has held your hair back and your worst moments and has talked positively about you in rooms that were. You know what I mean? Like, that to me is like the first thing that my brain goes to and it's like, damn, this is a hard ass world. It's already our enough world as it is. But to be a black woman literally, literally opening up for the first time about being vulnerable about dating a white man and how she wouldn't take it back, but like, that was an aspect of her experience. And then to have a friend, like show like empathy towards you and then for her to do this again, it is literally so hurtful. And like, I. [00:31:57] Speaker D: Yes. And it's also giving anti black. I'm going to say that it's giving anti black in the sense of, okay, you don't want to date. You don't want to date Sierra. You break up with her in a New York Times article and then you make a joint statement and you're out and about with the white woman who's getting divorced, not even sign the divorce papers yet. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:20] Speaker D: May I just say, miss me with that shit. [00:32:22] Speaker C: Have none of us considered that perhaps that was, that was part of the thought process for Juan, Ms. Petula, and she did not fucking care. [00:32:29] Speaker B: Right? [00:32:30] Speaker C: Because like, I personally, I, I just think it's a little bit weird that your, like you said, your friend has given the statement about how difficult it is to be a black woman dating a white man. And then your white ass goes and says, you know what I'm gonna do to make it better for you? I'm gonna fuck that man and call him mine. [00:32:51] Speaker B: And call him mine. [00:32:52] Speaker C: And I did. I, I told Tish I was trying to stay away from social media posts about it, but there was one in Particular I did see that. I thought it really resonated to me with the situation. And the long shorter was. She was discussing how when you view. When you think somebody is viewing you as pitiful, it puts you into a weird, like headspace. And they were like. And Amanda was thinking that was mistaking Sierra's empathy for pity. And she instead took that like later and was like, you know how I can make you feel bad, make you feel like you need to be pitied. I'm going to take that man who never would commit to you. And it just. It just gives. I don't know. I've. I told Tish. I also, I'm not the biggest fan of Amanda because to me she very much gives. Middle school, eighth grade mean girl. And that's the meanest eighth grade girl you've ever done seen. [00:33:41] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah, it really is. Have any of you been in a situation like this where a friend of yours did something like this to you? [00:33:54] Speaker B: Not to me, but I've had friends. I had a friend who was married and her husband had gone off to the penitentiary and they had kids. They was married for years and years and years. And then a close friend of ours, like we grew up. I'm talking like elementary school up until our older ages. Then this one friend started being the husband's pen pal in the prison and was like, oh, we're in a relationship. I said, how are you in a relationship when they still married? He bought the. He. I think he using you for the book money, girl. [00:34:26] Speaker A: He was. [00:34:28] Speaker B: I'm not gonna name no names, but people in St. Cloud, Minnesota, gonna figure it out real quick. [00:34:36] Speaker D: Let me not name a name, but [00:34:38] Speaker C: this is exactly where it happened. [00:34:40] Speaker D: Let me get the geotag. No, no. [00:34:43] Speaker B: And to my friend who's listening, who was the wife of the man who was getting the checks from the lady, you was in the right girl. You was in the right to be mad. But she said, listen, let her keep writing her little letters and make sure she signs my husband's checks because they not. But she was getting. He was getting his book. [00:35:00] Speaker D: Honey, [00:35:04] Speaker C: this is really. [00:35:05] Speaker B: We are in desperate times. I feel like if these are the men, if. If someone as smart as Amanda, and Amanda is smart can't be that like that. Confucled. And I'm going to say Confucius. I know it's not a word, but she got confucled. [00:35:21] Speaker A: She. [00:35:21] Speaker B: She fucked a. It messed up a brain cell at three. Because you don't turn your back on somebody who literally loves you, not who's just you're for the moment, you know what I mean? This is for the moment. [00:35:35] Speaker F: Like. [00:35:36] Speaker B: Or are you. Are you. Are you all like, trying to be the next scandal? Like, if that's the thing. Because this isn't it. This isn't the way to do that. Like, you are hurting and if so, who's your casualty? [00:35:50] Speaker E: Your friend? [00:35:51] Speaker D: I. So I've been in this situation. I'm gonna be vulnerable on the tag yourself. Who you. [00:35:55] Speaker B: Who were you and where? [00:35:57] Speaker D: I was Sierra. Chicago. I was Sierra. [00:36:01] Speaker B: The city is in Chicago. [00:36:03] Speaker D: In the city's in Chicago. Sierra in Chicago. Sierra. Chicago. There's. There's ugly in Paris. So that there's Sierra in Chicago. Get into it. No, I was in that situation where I liked a guy a lot. We worked together, we were vibing. I was feeling some kind of way. And then my best friend at the time came to visit me in Chicago from out of town. We were all hanging out on a night on the town and I don't know what transpired. She made out with him in a separate room at some point in the night. And I had no idea. Then the gag is this man bought a ticket to go see her and they spent a weekend together. And the only reason I found out was because another friend of mine said, say a Lindsay in the situation, a Lindsay Hubbard on Summer House was the one who told me, like, oh, he went to go see your girl. And I said, what, are you kidding me? And this was my best friend at the time. And I literally was like, we're fucking. We're fucking done. So we're fucking done. [00:37:27] Speaker B: She knew that you. You guys have been dating and like getting to know each other? [00:37:31] Speaker D: Yes, yes, she knew. She was well aware. I literally wanted her to be. To meet him. And she ended up making out with him in the room. I believe there may have been a finger bang the same night they met. I had no idea. No idea, bro. Literally. And then I found out that he went to go fucking visit her. [00:37:54] Speaker C: So I've been Sierra. [00:37:56] Speaker D: I've been Sierra. I've been Sierra. That's why I have extra empathy and compassion for her. Because that shit fucking hurts when it be your best friend being your own fucking op. And this is. I'm just worried for her. I don't want her to be even more guarded with her emotions because of this incident. Because that's something that happened to me. Like the guard has been up and it's. It's taken a long time for it to come down. And romantically it really Hasn't TBH so [00:38:31] Speaker C: well, because, like, what a violation. [00:38:34] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:38:34] Speaker C: Like, that's crazy. [00:38:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:37] Speaker C: On so many fronts too, right? I don't know. I just, like, it's crazy to me that anyone could just literally get so. For. No better word for it, like, diplomatized, that they're like, fuck it. I would absolutely rather just do this right now and get my dick wet. Get, like, get some right now. And there are no consequences to this. [00:39:00] Speaker B: I think there's a lot of tropes around. Like, oh, when you're in love, you're in love and you just know it, and you go for. But no, it takes time to formulate love. It takes effort to formulate love. Like, often, many, many a times people say love is not enough even to get into relationships. And things like that takes, like, effort. And, like, in the same way, it takes effort to have a relationship. It takes so much effort to have unbreakable friendships and bonds. And the. I just keep thinking about. I think anyone who's been a real friend knows, like, when you've hurt someone that you love, like, that person is constantly on your mind. Like, I'm in a tiny, like, confuckle. I don't know where the word confuckle is coming together, because I'm not anyone that make me upset, but I'm in a. What's that word? [00:39:51] Speaker D: Confuckle. [00:39:52] Speaker B: It's not confuckle. Don't put it in the book. Kerfuffle. [00:39:56] Speaker D: Oh, my God. [00:39:57] Speaker B: They're gonna have to keep beeping it out. Don't add it to the books. And Tisha, don't. Don't do it. [00:40:02] Speaker D: We've got a kid vocabulary. And this is. [00:40:05] Speaker C: I like kerfuckle. [00:40:06] Speaker D: I would like it to be kerfuffle. It's kerfuffled. [00:40:09] Speaker B: It confuckle. Wait, say the word again, the right. [00:40:13] Speaker C: Kerfuffled. [00:40:14] Speaker B: Her fluffles. She conflukled. I can't say the word. I'm gonna let the word go. She messed up so bad. Here's my thing. If you mess up a little bit with somebody you love, it's on the top of your mind. [00:40:28] Speaker C: Yeah, right. [00:40:29] Speaker B: And you want. And what you're doing is you're trying to figure out a way that I can talk to that person. Because once you get in a room with that person, you know, you'll be able to make it right in some way. Because we're human. We all make mistakes. But to have continuously. Again, a lot of times people don't realize the thing that's Unforgivable. It's not when your partner just kisses a person or it's not when your partner just, I don't know, messes up and does the one thing that one time. It's the consistency of doing something over and over and over and over again and still not thinking of that other person. And that is exactly what Ms. Amanda did here. She literally said, I know that this is wrong. I know I'm hurting this person. I'm going to not fucking think about that. [00:41:13] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:41:14] Speaker B: And she did it again on a repeated basis to the point where she justified her selfishness over somebody that she cares about. [00:41:23] Speaker D: And her. [00:41:23] Speaker B: Like, if she was actually thinking for herself, she would have taken the time. I should take that back. If she actually cared about Ciara, it was a genuine friendship. She would have taken the time. In the same way Jesse Solomon kind of got told out, like, do you know how bad it looks for her that Jesse Solomon had better executive functioning than she did? In regards to. Maybe it was not the clearest way of communicating. Hey, can I. Can I make out with your ex? But he at least put. Yeah, he at least put in some form of effort and communication that eventually led to that conversation because again, thank you, Lindsay Hubbard, for being a good communicator for facilitating that conversation to happen. But she didn't even do that right. Jesse loves Wes more than Amanda loves Ciara. And that is upsetting on a friendship level. It is not about comparing friendships to friendships. It's just like, y', all. [00:42:17] Speaker C: That's character to character. [00:42:18] Speaker D: Character to character, integrity. [00:42:20] Speaker B: Sleep at night. How do you. Like, how do you sleep at night? Literally sleep in bed next to west at any point and, and. And feel like you can call somebody your friend. Like, that is a dichotomy that I wish upon. If I die today, I know for a fact I have never thought like that about a single one of my friends. And like that is such a pit in the stomach. Drop on a roller coaster feeling for Sierra to not own like that belong that feeling that Amanda's feeling. And I'm sorry, people. Oh, she being bullish. She being bullied. She is. If she is being bullied, it's not okay to be bullied. I just want to say it's not okay to be bullied, but it is okay to feel disgusting for doing a disgusting thing. And she did that. You gotta sit with that, Ms. Ma'. Am. [00:43:11] Speaker D: Shame is not bad. Not bad. We need shame. Shame. Art. I'm saying, though, people don't feel shame anymore. And you should Keyboard. Keyboard warriors. People just say, whatever the politicians, all of this shit. People don't have shame anymore. And that's why the world is so fudgeing corrupt, because it's just like fodder. It's like, oh, on to the next. No, you should feel fucking shame. [00:43:36] Speaker C: You should feel bad about this. Like you hurt somebody. And like, it's not white people to feel shame. [00:43:41] Speaker B: I feel like if white people call shame, this world will be so much better. I'm halfway. I'm shamed. I'm shame. Oh, my God. If y' all just let it sink [00:43:51] Speaker C: in a little bit. [00:43:51] Speaker B: It's shameful. [00:43:53] Speaker D: It's shameful. [00:43:53] Speaker B: You know, the capitalistic society and we listen. [00:43:57] Speaker C: I feel like we strayed too far. [00:43:58] Speaker B: White people, if they would feel shame, we could figure something out about racism. And we could put pennies on it, honey. We could. Because what one thing I know how to do is. Is make a coin of coin. Make a coin. [00:44:11] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:44:11] Speaker B: And make a dollar a crypto. Okay. [00:44:13] Speaker D: Especially off of black trauma. [00:44:15] Speaker B: Correct. And how we. This. How we. In 2026. And we don't have money yet. We don't know what to call it. Reparations. But we got 10 in salons and black people not profiting off of it. I do comedy about this show on a regular basis. Rap is number one in a white man's ear, but where is it? In the pockets of black people, period. R B, period. [00:44:33] Speaker D: Rhythm and blues, period. [00:44:35] Speaker B: Come on, comedy. Yeah, well, we got that unlocked too. I'm just confused. Let's. Let's make white Shane the next color. Hi, this is Megan. Video Audio Produce are calling in from the booth plus one ing all of this stuff. I think if they do feel some sort of shame, it's the wrong part of the story that they feel the shame for. Like, I feel like they probably are leaning into. I feel shame for how this happened, not for doing it. You know what I mean? [00:45:11] Speaker C: They feel bad for how they. Other people reacted and if they feel it at all. Right. [00:45:15] Speaker B: It's like that's the part that her. Like that's the most frustrating part is you literally cannot see that this action is the problem and. And not how you did it. [00:45:31] Speaker C: Yeah. You know, not thinking to begin with. [00:45:34] Speaker B: Yeah. That. I think what you just said is so neat. Like, I needed to hear that personally. Because what you're highlighting is the fact that the lack of them acknowledging A, her ex husband, but B, Ciara is also something rooted in systemic racism. Like, you're literally. You're not even able to think necessarily about the effects of a woman of color who is your best friend. If your own wants and needs are. And Wes's own wants and needs are our primary. [00:46:15] Speaker C: If I may, the statement was very much giving, like, a little bit Amanda wanting to play the white woman victim because she doesn't name any of it. Like, she's just. Let me just make me, like, oh, I'm in love. Oh, I like him. Oh, we're just seeing how things go. But it's like you're not acknowledging the elephant in the room, which is the people you've betrayed, the things you've done. [00:46:34] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:46:34] Speaker D: For a connection. Not even in love. Not even in love. [00:46:37] Speaker C: Well, that's the other thing. To me, the statement also reads as, oh, shit, people found out that we're fucking. We have to put something out right now. Let me put it on the most basic Instagram background I can fucking find with a font nobody has used past the age of 13. [00:46:52] Speaker D: I mean, can we talk about how sloppy it is? Like, how ugly they have? [00:46:57] Speaker C: No, they didn't go on Canva. They couldn't. They just did it on Instagram. [00:47:01] Speaker D: Well, the statement itself, yes. But also, like, they were seen all over New York. Like, they have been. They were so sloppy. They were so rare. Reckless and careless. Are trying, like, multimillion. Like, Amanda, you're marketing for lover boy. You have money, boy. Yeah, you have money. Get some fucking curtains. Apparently, there was a picture of them making out that Sierra. That's how Sierra found out. Someone saw into Amanda's apartment, a picture of them kissing and showed it to Sierra, and that's how she found out, Allegedly. [00:47:38] Speaker B: For real? [00:47:39] Speaker D: Yes. I'm like, bitch, get some blinds. Get some curtains. Y' all are just gallivanting around New York together. You really have no. Like, there's no decorum. There's no decorum. There's not a sensitivity chip of, like, hey, we're hurting these people. Maybe we should, like, stay in the house. Like, hello. I just don't understand that. I don't understand that. Kibby fucking Kylie and Timothy, we didn't know they were together for months they were in the house, and then it was like, boom, we're together. You can do it. There's a way of being a public person, keeping your shit under wraps. But when you get sloppy like that, you want people to know or you just don't give a fuck. And clearly. [00:48:19] Speaker C: Well, both don't. [00:48:20] Speaker D: Both are bad. Both are bad, and both things are true. [00:48:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:25] Speaker D: And I just. I think that that's really fucking nasty work. [00:48:29] Speaker B: I also, I just want to take a step back, like in all of this. Like, at what point, how am I trying to say this? Amanda just came out of this extensive too long of a marriage. Right. And at what point do you think maybe I need to take a pause, take a break? She talked about how she want to have a family, this, that, and the third. But at what point do you have to be at that you're willing to fuck your best friend's ex who she still clearly cares for, who you visibly see she cares for, who you've literally rubbed her back and hugged her bed in her bed? Like, at what point do you decide that that is a challenge you want to take on post divorce? That is a, that's a person who quite literally does not want peace. [00:49:23] Speaker D: No. And also get West. Do you think west is like, oh, what? Apparently he's been dating other women? [00:49:32] Speaker C: He was in a relationship with somebody in Chicago. [00:49:34] Speaker D: Yeah, he was in Chicago St. Patrick's Day weekend. With a woman. [00:49:38] Speaker C: With a woman. [00:49:39] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:49:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:40] Speaker B: I guess for me it's just like, what's the, what's the, what's the thought process going on there? [00:49:45] Speaker D: Like there isn't. [00:49:46] Speaker C: There isn't. [00:49:47] Speaker D: There isn't one. [00:49:48] Speaker C: And it's. Or if there is, it's just like they don't. They, I cannot like state enough just how many times they had to not think about other people and how many opportunities there were to like not do what they're doing? It's just like, because if you're going to just be absolutely 15 about it and let your, your dick do the talking, like, sure, but you know, at least, at least just like own up to that and be like, yeah, it was a reckless thought process and like we can recognize that. [00:50:17] Speaker D: Right? [00:50:18] Speaker B: Or literally just be like, I gave zero shits about my friends myself. [00:50:23] Speaker C: And that's so nice. [00:50:24] Speaker B: No, but at least that's something that reflection adjustable that we could be like, okay, you really fucked up and. [00:50:33] Speaker D: But you're owning it. [00:50:34] Speaker C: But you're owning it. [00:50:35] Speaker D: But you're owning it. [00:50:36] Speaker B: Yes. And most of this is the fact that you are positioning this. They want a relationship you relish. You're literally, literally trying to make fetch happen with us. It's not going to ever happen, bitch. [00:50:50] Speaker D: Right? And I think that Amanda is so male centered that like, I, I as much as she's like, try to be a girl's girl. And because that's so trendy, I, I hate even the phrase girls girl because it's lost all Its meaning it's easy [00:51:09] Speaker C: to be a girl's girl when you're also married and you don't have the opportunity to fuck your best friend's ex boyfriend. [00:51:15] Speaker D: Right. But I do think that she's very male centered. Like even watching this past episode, she's like talking to west and Jesse and she's like, I only. I come back for you guys. For you. [00:51:29] Speaker B: You know what? Amanda kind of has. You know what this brings? This brings something that we need to put to the forefront of us, our situation. We've decided on this podc, that when we see a woman who is willing to settle down with someone like a Kyle, that doesn't only just say something about the man, it says something about the woman. [00:51:57] Speaker D: Yes. And you think that that's the best you can do. [00:52:02] Speaker C: Maybe it is. [00:52:03] Speaker D: Maybe it is. [00:52:05] Speaker B: Oh, because you centered your whole life around Kyle the dj and you got mad that he turned himself into a dj like all a fool, and then [00:52:15] Speaker C: you're going to go after white. She's who's just Kyle 20 fucking years ago. Because I don't know, like, what are we doing, girl? [00:52:25] Speaker D: Wait, wait, Michaela, say that again. Michaela, say that again. [00:52:29] Speaker C: She went. She went from Kyle 50 to Kyle, now 30 with West. And it's. It's the same, man. It's the same. [00:52:37] Speaker D: Cut the camera. [00:52:38] Speaker C: That's it. [00:52:38] Speaker B: That's a wrap. We needed a reason. We needed to know. [00:52:42] Speaker C: And also, I just want to say we've been talking a lot about Amanda in this and I want to say something about west really quick. The fact that. And I'm going to look at my camera while I say this. [00:52:52] Speaker D: You're going to. You look at it. [00:52:56] Speaker C: White culture vulture from Missouri who also works at Complex, who openly dated black women, is then just going to all of a sudden change his shape for a white girl? No, he's not. No, he's not. He still is who he is. He is still, in the wise words of tlc, scrubs. He's a fucking scrub. [00:53:13] Speaker B: What do you mean? [00:53:14] Speaker C: He sucks, bro. His haircut's bad. [00:53:18] Speaker D: He got a mullet just like Kyle, bro. [00:53:23] Speaker B: It's literally. [00:53:24] Speaker C: It's literally the same. [00:53:26] Speaker D: No, I. You know, that's literally. It's the same thing. It's the same text, different font. [00:53:32] Speaker C: Different font. But the font's not even that different. It's just bolded, girl. [00:53:41] Speaker D: We have to rewind to the fact [00:53:43] Speaker B: it's comic fans 50 years old. [00:53:45] Speaker D: And I think that is so funny. [00:53:47] Speaker C: Is he not? [00:53:49] Speaker D: He's like 45. [00:53:50] Speaker C: He's yeah, he's old. [00:53:52] Speaker D: He's closer to 50. [00:53:53] Speaker C: He's. He can qualify for AARP soon. [00:53:57] Speaker D: Girl, he getting that AARP. [00:54:01] Speaker C: That AARP. DJ AARP in the house. [00:54:05] Speaker B: Listen, no ageism here. I hope everybody with arthritis picks up a turntable. [00:54:10] Speaker D: I do love that. [00:54:12] Speaker C: I'm only. [00:54:12] Speaker D: I'm only against. [00:54:15] Speaker C: I'm only ages. Specifically against Kyle fucking Cook. [00:54:19] Speaker D: Yeah. And I do hate that now that this has happened, like, we can. [00:54:23] Speaker C: There's pity for him. [00:54:24] Speaker D: There's pity for him. No, People are like, that was kill [00:54:28] Speaker B: Amanda in a terrible way. That would. That would eat her up, y'. All. [00:54:32] Speaker D: Because it's happening. [00:54:33] Speaker C: It's because, again, like, she needs to be the victim in every aspect of. For fucking life. [00:54:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:39] Speaker C: She doesn't know who she is. [00:54:41] Speaker D: Okay. So all of this being said, so they're not going to go full scandal and pick up cameras. I think they want it to be the first reaction, like them seeing each other at the reunion. Where do you think this is going to go? How do you think it's going to shape out, like, with the reunion and the future of the show? [00:55:02] Speaker C: Well, I think Sierra's going to leave the damn show, so. [00:55:04] Speaker B: No. No, I do not want to see Wes and Amanda on my screen. Well, here's the thing. [00:55:13] Speaker C: I think that they will for, like another season. It'll be terrible. But I think Sierra is going to leave, and I think Sierra might get the Ariana of it all. [00:55:22] Speaker D: I mean, I'm hopeful. She gets those. [00:55:29] Speaker C: I wouldn't even just. I would even just be so happy to see her date. West's favorite rapper, his favorite musician, basketball player, hockey. [00:55:39] Speaker D: I don't give a. I don't give a. [00:55:41] Speaker C: But as long as it directly pisses him off. And I hope she's happy and they love each other. [00:55:46] Speaker B: Yes, I agree. [00:55:47] Speaker D: Yes. I just want her to follow it. [00:55:50] Speaker C: I want her to get what she wants in this life, you know? [00:55:52] Speaker D: I agree. I do, too. [00:55:53] Speaker A: At all. [00:55:54] Speaker D: Costly, honestly. [00:55:56] Speaker C: Does she want it from me? I'll get it. I guess I'll sell something. [00:56:01] Speaker B: I wish there was a donation. Power for when people are shitty. The person they've hurt. We just give them, you know what? Reparation. [00:56:11] Speaker D: Oh, my gosh. Can we have emotional reparations? [00:56:14] Speaker B: Emotional reparations are needed so money can be used so much better in this country. It's a shame. It's just a shame. We. You know what? There has to be something that is positive that comes out of this experience or from this, because Sierra, this is happening for her. Not to her because she will never make herself the victim. And I appreciate that about her. She is such a strong, hard working woman. She literally is a person who cares for the sick as a nurse and like legitimately is the voice of reason and moral respect for oneself. Like I look to her and I'm like, oh she's making hard decisions and, and it's not easy for her to treat herself this well but she still does it and the same is going to be said when it comes to this friendship. And I've also noticed too I want to say to Paige that Paige has had her back. It seems like from what I've seen in the comments, her, I don't know, the tea, I don't go that deep from the first couple seasons of Summer House and I know that Paige's best friend and the giggle squad that her co host hates, Amanda, they do not see eye to eye. I've seen that she's come out in support of Sierra so I know that's eating, that's eating at her spirit. The thing is when you do bad, bad things happen and when you do good, good things happen and sometimes, sometimes bad shit happens to good people. But I think in the long run anybody who has a mindset that they are do like whatever's happening is good for, for it's happening for them. That has always been the giving spirit of Ciara Miller and I know for a fact her cup is going to go over. [00:57:57] Speaker D: Yeah, go over. Actually it is crazy looking at it in hindsight because it's like damn, maybe Hannah, like justice for Hannah, justice for Danielle Lindsay, who was that little girl that was on there for like a season. Jules. [00:58:15] Speaker C: Jules and Lex also did not like. [00:58:18] Speaker D: Yeah, no, it seemed, yeah. So in a way I do feel like, damn, maybe they are vindicated. I mean Handa's ad was very telling with the honest wipes. I said damn, that was a mic drop in and of itself. And Paige obviously like you said, Kim has had Ciara's back and you know, I think definitely in hindsight you look at stuff and you're like damn, maybe it's been there the whole time and we were clouded by maybe how shitty she was because she was in a shitty relationship. Well there's a lot of excuses. Yeah, there was a lot of excuses like oh well Kyle's being mean to her, he's nasty to her. But like you said it reflects a lot on you if you choose to make that your partner. [00:59:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:09] Speaker D: If you're willingly in the relationship there's not A gun to your head. You still married that man without a prenup. [00:59:16] Speaker C: She. Her family has money. She can get out. I'm not saying obviously, like, every situation is different. Some things are weird. But, like, in general, he was mean to you. Your dad didn't seem to like him too much. [00:59:27] Speaker B: I will say, Tish, you're onto something in the sense of, like. Like, sometimes you don't see somebody until you see somebody from someone else's perspective. You know, like, I also was a stand for Amanda up. Like, you know, I was rooting for her. And people do get in shitty situations and. But they're like, I feel like if you're not reflecting, post a bad situation. We've all been in terrible relationships. Doesn't mean you're terrible, but it means there's a part of you that believed you were worthy of terribleness. So you are operating and making choices from that place. So when you get out of a breakup, what you do typically is you reflect. Yeah. You go on other dates with other people. Hopefully it's not your best friend's ex. And you figure out what part of me was okay with doing these things or being with someone who would treat me this way. But instead, what you did is you had somebody who treated you not so nice, and then the people who did treat you nice, you treated like trash. [01:00:24] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:00:25] Speaker B: Right. [01:00:25] Speaker D: And the veil has been lifted. When someone shows you who you are, [01:00:31] Speaker C: believe them who they are. [01:00:32] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:00:34] Speaker C: We believe them. [01:00:36] Speaker D: Okay. All right. Well, this has been such a good panel. Y' all gave so much insight. Oh, my God. Y' all dropped so many gems, and I'm just so glad we got to dish about this. Team Sierra always said forever. [01:00:56] Speaker B: We are. [01:00:57] Speaker D: We are co signing that. [01:00:59] Speaker B: We decided that. We decided that our group is us together. We are team Sierra. And you know what? [01:01:08] Speaker C: Summer is supposed to be fun. [01:01:10] Speaker D: And Amanda. Amanda's not fun. Amanda's not fun. [01:01:18] Speaker B: Always headed east. For the rest of the year, I'm just going to keep going east. Never will I go the opposite direction. [01:01:25] Speaker D: Philo goes west. Get him back. [01:01:27] Speaker C: Get him back around to where you need to be. Eventually. [01:01:31] Speaker B: Catch me east. This Chicago summer, I will be at the beach. Michigan, baby. [01:01:36] Speaker C: I've never heard of West Loop a [01:01:37] Speaker D: day in my life ever. [01:01:39] Speaker B: Have you been to East Loop? Oh, my God. [01:01:41] Speaker C: Are you talking about full market greater. [01:01:48] Speaker B: Can we from now on, just never say we? S T. [01:01:53] Speaker D: No, no. Who shall not be named. [01:01:57] Speaker B: I'm gonna be flying east. Northeastern Airlines. Northeastern Airlines. [01:02:07] Speaker D: The opposite of east. Just say that I'm going The opposite of East. [01:02:11] Speaker C: I'm going. [01:02:12] Speaker B: The opposite of east is amazing. What else is the word west in it that we can change just. [01:02:18] Speaker D: Well, I' ma let you think on that. I. Kanye East. [01:02:21] Speaker B: No, but we also can't even say Kanye. [01:02:24] Speaker D: I was gonna say we can't say Kanye. From bad to worse. [01:02:29] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Everything with west in the name is bad, isn't it? [01:02:32] Speaker D: It's true. It's true. [01:02:36] Speaker C: And that's my tinfoil hat. [01:02:37] Speaker B: Thank you, Cyntisha. It's been great with the dishes. Thank you so much. [01:02:43] Speaker D: Thank you guys for coming in hot and giving me so much. I feel so fed same. I love you guys. [01:02:51] Speaker B: Time has come to an end by. [01:02:59] Speaker D: Oh my God, I love dishing with my girls. That was so fun. Okay, now this is something I've been so excited about. I haven't listened to them because I'm like, ooh, I wanna get a raw reaction on the pod. The dish hotline is open, honey, and I've got some really good feedback and voice notes from you guys. I love hearing what you have to say and just dishing with you, obviously. Hello. Okay, here's our first message from Rachel in la. [01:03:34] Speaker E: I think the way that I feel is I believe every part of this narrative at this point. Like, I believe that they've been seeing [01:03:46] Speaker C: each other for a while. [01:03:47] Speaker E: I believe that Dave Portnoy knew for some reason. I believe that there is a photograph of them through the apartment window. I believe that Kyle has a point with like the cyberbullying of Amanda. Like, I do believe that it's probably going overboard, but I mean, then again, what did you expect? And I believe that they don't have PR crisis management because every move they've made from a PR standpoint has been worse. Has definitely. And that's surprising to me with both of them because they're both corporate minded people. So maybe it is real. I believe the rumor that apparently now Bravo is going to make them contractually stay together for two years to justify the fallout. I believe that they absolutely should. That would be so embarrassing if she went through all of this and then he just like broke up with her like that. He can't do that. Absolutely not. Now you're locked in twin. [01:05:00] Speaker D: Oh, Rachel. Not the new tea. Not the new tea. Not the new Scamander west side Hori tea. Being contractually obligated to be in a relationship is really fucking insane. That is some, as Kim would say, diabetical shit. Okay, that's really crazy. Honestly, I kind of believe it too. I kind of. I believe all of it. I think that they want people to watch Summer House and they want people to watch this new show, the City, or whatever is it called, the City Girl. I don't even know. They want people to watch this new show and if we don't fucking like the main people in the show, we're not gonna watch. We're not gonna be invested. And obviously, look what happened after Vanderpump was scandal. We all were so done with it, they had to completely reboot it and switch it out because once you hit peak like that and a bomb goes off, you can't really pick up fragments to. To go back. So I, I wholeheartedly believe this too. And Rachel, you brought some new tea girl. [01:06:23] Speaker B: Of course. [01:06:23] Speaker D: She's in la, so she gonna know what's up. That's crazy. Oh, my God. Thank you for that. That's. That's really good. I believe it too. I'm with you, sis. I'm with you. Okay. And our next message is also from an out of towner from Emily in Cleveland, Ohio. [01:06:44] Speaker G: Hey, Tish, huge fan of the POD here. I was just wondering your thoughts on where you think Summer House as a TV show is going to go after this. Where do you think Sierra is going to go after this? Because as much as I love this show, and especially Sierra, and as much as I want to, you know, watch all of this play out and see how it all happened in real time, I love Sierra. I think all of us do. And at the end of the day, that the idea of her going in in two months to film with Amanda and Wes in the share house, I don't know, to me, it kind of feels degrading. I don't know. I just. My heart is breaking for her and I'm. I, I just wonder what she should do in all this, in terms of the show. And I'm so curious where you think this is all going to go. Is it going to be like Scandal? Vanderpump rules. It kind of crumbles, you know? Where do you think it's gonna go and where do you think it should go? Anyways, again, love the pod. Cannot wait to hear your thoughts. [01:07:59] Speaker D: Oh, my God, Emily, I love you. Thank you for being a dedicated disher. Honey, this is a really good question. And I really, I don't know where they go from here. I. In the words of some Mormon wives, I don't know if Summer House is gonna survive this, if Montauk is gonna make it. In terms of the show. I could I mean, I think the show could still go on. I think they do have a really good supporting cast. You know, I think the new additions that they brought in, I think KJ is great, great. I think Bailey is great. I think that they can still keep the show alive with new, new blood in there. They also have the city or the new spin off show with Lindsay, Kyle, Amanda. That's going on in terms of Sierra's involvement in everything that I don't know, that I can't really have. I don't have a clear indicator of what she should do. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think that it would be really degrading to put herself in that situation. I don't think it would be good for her mental health. Mental, emotional, even physical. That stuff you feel that that makes you, that manifests in your body, you know, And I don't think that that would be great for her to put herself in that environment. Like literally summer is around the corner and she's supposed to sleep in the same house as them. What if they want to share a room? What if Amanda and West are like, yeah, we're gonna sleep together. There's literally no fucking way. I don't care how much, bro. No, you cannot pay me to do that shit. So I don't think that Ciara will be involved in that sense. I, I see her going upward. I think it was definitely like a wrench in her plans and like maybe what she had planned. But I don't think it's going to be a bad thing for her. Like we said with the girls, with Kim and Michaela, I do think that this is going to be like a Sierra renaissance. I think she's going to have brand deal. She's already hosting red carpets and doing interviews and her, apparently her manager or her agent posted an Instagram story like, get ready and I'm, I'm so seated. I'm so seated. I'm locked in. I am, as president of the Sierra Miller fan club, I am ready for a Sierra Sans honey. I hope it's just upward. If she doesn't get the same treatment that Ariana got, I mean it's giving anti black and she needs to be just as supported as Ariana because it's. Although she wasn't in a relationship with west, it's still, emotionally that's, that's trauma. That's going to take a long time for her to heal because to me it's worse because it was your best friend, it was your Judy, you know, and that just like that cuts really fucking deep. So I'm hoping that she just has a forward trajectory. But thank you for your question, Emily. [01:11:13] Speaker B: Love you. [01:11:15] Speaker D: And here's our next voice note from Erin in Chicago. [01:11:20] Speaker A: First, I want to acknowledge Amanda's depression. I'm grateful for her vulnerability around that and sharing that journey with us. As someone who's dealt with it too, I'd hold her hand in group therapy any day. However, this upcoming view comes from a place of love. That being said, girl, how could you do this to Sierra? I understand being messy and maybe picking a friend of Kyle's, but this is too, too much. Ciara has been your best friend and number one supporter in the house and it truly feels like a betrayal according to Dave Portnoy. Yuck. This has been happening since the super bowl at least. Which one? Look how bamboozled we all were when we thought that picked with his arm around Sierra was cute. West's arm around Sierra. Two, they've both been lying in interviews since then. West and Amanda have both been lying. And three, west is telling his circle about this. So who all has been lying to Sierra since then and who really knew? Is Jesse an accomplice? Would he even take this seriously since we've already seen him view her? Sierra's feelings as a joke this season. And beneath the betrayal lies an underlying issue of relationship mistakes. A joint statement to confirm a situationship. Amanda, Amanda, you deserve a man who claims you and is obsessed with you. Okay? [01:12:51] Speaker D: Why? [01:12:53] Speaker A: Why feel like this situationship is something? It's nothing, babe. It's nothing. And of course Wes just grow up. I mean, my expectations for Wes are already on the ground, so it's hard for me to put words to my disdain for him because I don't know, I was bamboozled. I've been played twice. He sucks, okay? And I hate that he is growing followers from this. I really hope that that's not real. [01:13:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:23] Speaker A: Anyway, so unfortunately straight men have been getting away with this non committal. I'm just a boy who is figuring it out game and screwing over women who care about them for too long. But once a woman is living in a world that legitimizes a situationship joint statement, she's gone. Amanda has left this plane of reality. I fear Wes needs to be held accountable and exposed for his overall loser dumb behavior. I hate to say this in 2026, but we really do need proof. Timeline, screenshots, everything. We're entitled to the timeline. Okay, the timeline is kind of everything here. I need to know why they thought Any of this was a good idea and why they felt the need to just say, never wanted our actions to cause any hurt. Instead of calling out Sierra and Kyle directly. It feels very overly pr. Overly messy. Overly messy. Overly somehow not thought out. So in summary, I hope Amanda and West are keeping their phones on, their ears open and their eyes on God because only Jesus can save them now. Also, someone please check in with Carl. Carl needs to be marked safe. [01:14:48] Speaker D: On Easter week. Girl, only Jesus can save your ass. Come on, Aaron, hit him with the Jesus. Okay. Hit him with the Lord, honey. Yes. Okay. That was a sermon, honey. Okay, that was scripture. That was from the ancient texts. Okay. The sacred text. Oh my God, I love that so much. That's so good. Holy. I mean, no notes. No notes. Air 8. She's so funny. Oh my God, that is so good. Holy. Oh, I should have listened to these before. That was funny. That was really funny. Yes, yes, it's true. Erin's right. I will give Amanda the empathy that. Yes, depression. I appreciate her being vulnerable and talking about all that, but also to do this to your girl, it's inexcusable. I'm sorry. Check yourself in a mental facility before you go and fuck her ex. No, no. And yeah, we do kind of need receipts, proof, timeline, screenshots, fucking everything because A, you're on reality tv so you know, like this is important, period. Aaron, you ate that up. Okay, let's go to some more. We've got a voice note from Audrey in Chicago. Let's hear what Audrey has for to say. [01:16:27] Speaker H: Okay, I have so many thoughts. I could talk about this truly for 24 hours but the. The. The long and short of it is obviously Team Sierra. Nothing else matters. Team Sierra. I want her to have every brand deal that she wants. I want her to succeed in every way that she wants. I want her to get every gig and not because a white man fucked around, but because she deserves it. Separately, my theory with west is that he thinks he's a nice guy and seeing a woman suffering made him just absolutely bricked up at the opportunity to be her savior. I think he has a savior complex. I think he likes feeling needed. I think Amanda is very fragile right now. Not to negate her literal responsibility in this. [01:17:33] Speaker C: She's very responsible. [01:17:35] Speaker H: Don't even get me started. But I think the reason that he would even go for her right now is because A, he likes trouble and like forbidden fruit and B, this messy ass man wants to be the hero and thinks he's a nice guy by like defending a Woman. I can't. I can't. I simply cannot. Team Sierra all day. [01:18:01] Speaker D: Oh, okay. Audrey, you. Audrey. That. Yes. Audrey, yes. Let's talk about it. Audrey. [01:18:12] Speaker B: Bitch. [01:18:13] Speaker D: Very that. Ooh. I. Bro. I did not. Ooh. Y' all give me life. Y' all give me so much fucking life, bro. Okay, I did not think about it that way, but I 100%. I can't even talk. She's left me speechless, folks. Speechless. I 100% think that it is a savior complex. I think that Wes does think he's a good guy. He's just a good Midwest guy, so he's gonna go help this woman out who's just in shambles. We saw it last week in the previous episode when Kyle was treating Amanda like shit. And west said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, man. This is where I draw the line. You can't talk to her like that. I've never seen that. He. That man was bricked up. He was bricked up hard as fuck. Seeing her crying, her head on his shoulder, oh, my God, it made him horny. Some people are like that. Some people love a trauma. Ooh, they're like, ooh, she crying. Let me save the day. Oh, yeah. Let me fucking be my white knight. Shining armor, girl. Not with that mullet. Please, please stop, stop. I 100. I agree with all that. I agree with all that. I do think that. Yeah, he. He. He liked it. He was into it. He was into it. And. Oh, yeah. Wow. I'm. I gotta say, sit with that. I got to sit with that one. That was really good. Kudos, Audrey, for spilling that. That really. Woo. That did a number on me, child. Okay, and one more. One more from Maria from Chicago. [01:20:16] Speaker F: The news of this makes me realize I don't have enough people in my life that watch Summer House. So here's the thing. Like, we kind of knew, but Kyle was so bad that we just kind of ignored it. And like, Hannah told us from the beginning that Amanda was never a girl's girl. She. The only reason she was a girl's girl is because she was married. And then we saw how bad her husband was, which was an excuse behavior. And I do not feel bad for him. I'll never feel bad for him for him. But, girl, you could have had. You could have had relations with Kyle's best friend. We've been like, yep, you deserve it. Every person. The one person that you can't have relations with on that show was West. And it's like. Like, we feel for Sierra, and. And it's like all you had to do Amanda. All you had to do was just like, not date west and you would have the glow up. We would have been like every swimsuit you designed, anything you did from here on out, we would have bought. We would have cheered for you like you had everything. You're like, this is the guy I'm going for. And like, at certain point, I was hoping this was the worst April Fool's joke, but even if it is, like, why would you agree to this? This is just awful. [01:21:40] Speaker D: Maria, honey, I could not agree more. Well, you're with your people who. You don't have friends who watch Summer House. Honey, get into some dishers. Okay? Yes. It could have literally been anyone else. Like you said, Kyle's best friend, his brother, his cousin, even his daddy. We would have said, you know what? Serves you right, Kyle. That's what you fucking get for being such a little asshole to her. You literally went for the one person that would ruin everything. You could have had that glow up. You could have had that revenge dress. You could have had your moment. But instead you chose the one person that was like, not even off limits, but just morally the wrong person to go for. Even if he was bricked up because you were crying and having some trauma. That's just an insane thing to do to sleep with your best friend's ex. And even if they say we weren't even best friends. Regardless, y' all were still close. Amanda and Sierra were very close. They were tight. They were good friends. So even if it's not your bestie, that was still your friend. Okay? Like, that is just not cool. And yeah, Amanda went from being. I was rooting for her. I feel like Tyra, like, we were all rooting for you and you went and fucked it up by fucking west. And I mean you gonna fuck around. Fuck around and find out. You're finding out now because you was fucking around and playing in Sierra's fucking face. And you know, we don't take that lightly. We don't take it lightly. We don't play when it comes to our girl or just girl, girl code in general. We don't play when it comes to Sierra, but we don't play when it comes to fucking girl code and playing in somebody face. Especially when it comes to Bravo. Bravo is all about relationships, okay? Parasocial and the relationships of the people on the show. So yes, that that matters. That's. That's the thing. We're invested, we care. We're following your day to day lives. Hello. Ooh. Wow. These were so Good. I'm sorry I couldn't get to all of them, but these were great. Should we make this a thing? I think we should make this a thing. I'm feeling a little dish hotline, because I just love engaging with you guys and hearing what you have to say. And your input is so important. I mean, that's why we dish. The table's big enough for all of us. We. We can dish together. This is our dish. Okay. And I think we've completed the. The full breakdown of the scamanda, or what was it? West side Story? West side. West side. Hori. Colon. Scamanda or. No, Scamanda. Colon. What side? Sorry. We've completed. We've completed the breakdown, and I feel sigh of relief that I was just able to finally just get it all out, hear what y' all have to say, and dish with my people. Oh, my gosh. We're gonna be back so soon. We've got so much to eat. This is just summer house, y'. All. We. We got so much to dish on the. The plate has overfloweth. The plate is overflowing. For even more dishes. Make sure you're following the dish with Tish Pod on Instagram. We're gonna be doing some prompts. I really like the hotline, guys. You guys, like I said, I couldn't go through all of the voices notes, so if we want to make this a thing, I'm so here for it. So be on the lookout for that. You know you love our videos on Instagram. Our edits go so hard, and we're just going to be giving you guys even more. We're going to give you even more. So you may be full now, but we're going to give you some shit. You did. We're going to give you a dish you didn't even know you needed, honey. So stay tuned. Follow the dishwashtish pod on Instagram. I hope this satiated your appetite for Summer House. I love you guys. Thank you for listening, and I'll see you very soon. [01:26:21] Speaker F: Bye.